If we vote for Brexit what happens

CKhalvashi

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

I think he means this.

Is that in the same way that I accept the result, despite also thinking it's a stupid idea, which I note you helpfully removed from the quote?

I accept it happened, I don't accept the way the British government are handling the situation, as it's reckless and naive.

So, Conrad, who are you referring to?

mayonnaise

Brexiteer headbangers don't seem to get the difference between accepting the result and supporting the result.


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38762034

Fella

kabayiri wrote: »

Brexit caused no divide really.

It might have exposed differing views on the future, from different parts of the UK, but they were already there.

If anything, there was a false pretence of cohesion before June of last year.

Agreed, it's the delay in triggering Article 50 that's causing far more of a divide. Had Cameron done as was promised before the Referendum & "instantly triggered Article 50" we could have avoided all the desperate attempts by the Remain lobby to delay Brexit in every way possible. The longer the delay the more time it gives the loathesome Blair types to come up with ludicrous arguments e.g. "the people who voted Remain didn't know what they voted for" etc etc Those attempts are riling up the sore losers on the Remain side (we have a few on here) & disgusting the majority who voted to leave & would like to see what was promised delivered.

CKhalvashi

Fella wrote: »

Agreed, it's the delay in triggering Article 50 that's causing far more of a divide. Had Cameron done as was promised before the Referendum & "instantly triggered Article 50" we could have avoided all the desperate attempts by the Remain lobby to delay Brexit in every way possible. The longer the delay the more time it gives the loathesome Blair types to come up with ludicrous arguments e.g. "the people who voted Remain didn't know what they voted for" etc etc Those attempts are riling up the sore losers on the Remain side (we have a few on here) & disgusting the majority who voted to leave & would like to see what was promised delivered.

However Cameron didn't have the right to do so, as has been confirmed by 2 courts, following both sides of the debate having their voices heard clearly and fairly.

The UK would be even more of a laughing stock than it is on the continent had the decision been made that he had done so illegally and must go back to the drawing board.

Conrad

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Whose lot? What are you referring to?


Remoaners - and that includes the 'I accept the result but think it's rubbish and dangerous' gloom brigade

A 0.4% difference in the grand scheme of things isn't particularly huge.


When the forecasts were 0.4% lower, Remoaners had a field day

why is the UK not being more ambitious, with unhindered EU trade and a broad range of free trade deals on the horizon?


Personally I think 1.6% is fairly steady and sustainable - I don't lust for more particularly, I'm not greedy nor born with a sense of entitlement - very fortunate to be born is such a prosperous society, although I do think Brexit will bring greater growth than we've had in the last 20 years

Is that because the fantasy that you have in your head isn't at all the reality, and that it will be much more difficult than that?


Personally I suspect growth will be higher once we begin to become properly independent, benefitting from autonomous local tailored decision making, a global outlook and pro-business nimble footed landscape


SM membership is a hindrance, not required, we will obviously reach an amicable agreement to ensure existing trade is not hampered anyway.


Inflation is higher than the growth rate of the economy on your predictions, so in reality the UK economy is getting smaller. That's really not good, whichever way you dress it up.


The economy is doing very nicely and going from strength to strength and slowly rebalancing, so much better than the unsustainable nonsense of importing underpants and running a permanent massive deficit with the EU which creates non jobs and unhappy citizens. We need exports and fewer imports

As long as The Lords and 'liberals' don't bind Mays hands, Brexit is an incredible opportunity, come join the train to sunlit uplands.


One day you honestly will look back on all this and wonder what an earth you were worried about

kabayiri

CKhalvashi wrote: »

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The UK would be even more of a laughing stock than it is on the continent had the decision been made that he had done so illegally and must go back to the drawing board.

Who cares what the continent think?

I think they pretty much got the gist of what UK voters thought about the EU and their principles during the bad tempered referendum campaign.

I can't name a single person who has any time for an Eurocrat like Juncker.

Conrad

CKhalvashi wrote: »

The UK would be even more of a laughing stock than it is on the continent


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Why do thousands of Europeans pour into the UK each month in search of a new life if we are a laughing stock?


Presumably you do not welcome the Lords wanting 3 million Europeans rights guaranteed as you feel they will be better off not in Britain given our dire laughing stock future?

Fella

CKhalvashi wrote: »

However Cameron didn't have the right to do so, as has been confirmed by 2 courts, following both sides of the debate having their voices heard clearly and fairly.

Remainer nonsense of exactly the type I'm describing.

The will of 17 million voters trumps the will of 3 Judges, two of whom are best mates with Blair & had massive vested interest in seeing Brexit overturned. Luckily that ploy got nowhere, although it has wasted time & taxpayer money.

Shakethedisease

Conrad wrote: »

OBR forecast now revised up to 2% for 2017.

Not quite.

"In producing the forecast, the Office of Budget Responsibility (OBR) has not attempted to predict the precise outcome of negotiations, nor the breadth and depth of new relationships that may be negotiated bilaterally with the EU or other trading partners. Instead, its assumptions on the effects of leaving the EU on trade, unchanged from those which underpinned the Autumn Statement 2016 forecast, are in line with a range of external studies."

The footnote to table B6, which documents the OBR's assessment of total managed expenditure, reads:

"As we do not have sufficient detail about the government's negotiation preferences, or the chances of achieving them, we are not able to forecast how spending will be affected after the UK leaves the EU."

Weird budget. Almost as if Brexit wasn't happening.

mayonnaise

Fella wrote: »

Remainer nonsense of exactly the type I'm describing.

The will of 17 million voters trumps the will of 3 Judges, two of whom are best mates with Blair & had massive vested interest in seeing Brexit overturned. Luckily that ploy got nowhere, although it has wasted time & taxpayer money.

The time and money time waster is our stubborn and vindictive PM who could have avoided all this by not appealing the high court ruling.