If we vote for Brexit what happens

Mortgagefreeman

Rinoa wrote: »

Interesting that you actually want the EU to punish the UK. Can I ask why?

He's finally shown his 'true colours' Just because the remainers lost, like a petulant child, he wishes harm on the UK Economy. Typical remoaner trait.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

CKhalvashi wrote: »

So, anyone want to give what a good excuse to follow through with this is now? Trying to see this as neutrally as possible I can't see one, as it will give us the chance to pick and choose what we can't now.

Maybe the time of the government would be better spent supporting our neighbours, rather than opposing them.

I almost feel bad for you.
Your little Euro-bubble will be burst, sooner or later - you honestly cannot see that this is evidence of desperately trying to keep project EU alive?

The EU as you know it now will not exist in two years time.
That much is almost certain - and acknowledged by many within the EU too.

CKhalvashi

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

He's finally shown his 'true colours' Just because the remainers lost, like a petulant child, he wishes harm on the UK Economy. Typical remoaner trait.

Please do learn how to spell, it's in my sig. It's not necessary to resort to insults.

I don't wish to bring harm to anyone, merely to ensure that my own interests and the interests of any country I may be a citizen of are protected. If I believe they are not (as I do now) then I will speak up.

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

I almost feel bad for you.
Your little Euro-bubble will be burst, sooner or later - you honestly cannot see that this is evidence of desperately trying to keep project EU alive?

The EU as you know it now will not exist in two years time.
That much is almost certain - and acknowledged by many within the EU too.

I'll take that as a no then.

The EU has put a proposal forward and out of spite you are completely ignoring it, instead of considering it on its merits.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I'll take that as a no then.

The EU has put a proposal forward and out of spite you are completely ignoring it, instead of considering it on its merits.

You are being very insulting.
"Spite"?
No; common sense.

For someone allegedly attempting to be "neutral" you sure are displaying plenty pro-EU propaganda.
Tell us why that is?

mrginge

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I encourage anyone to use the rights that they have, irrespective of who they are, if it will benefit them. Encouraging people not to do so sort of makes this point completely pointless.

Just out of interest:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/775939/European-Union-EU-big-four-plans-two-speed-Europe-Brexit
So, anyone want to give what a good excuse to follow through with this is now? Trying to see this as neutrally as possible I can't see one, as it will give us the chance to pick and choose what we can't now.

Maybe the time of the government would be better spent supporting our neighbours, rather than opposing them. We're outside the Euro, Schengen etc already, so it's something that's already there in part, and if this goes horribly wrong (I hope it doesn't for your sake, but it's a possibility) then to rejoin will take time, with no opt outs at all.

Can you confirm. Is your conclusion that we should cancel brexit because none of the EU27 members can agree on the future direction of the bloc?

If so, I doubt that's likely to influence many people.

kabayiri

I never believed that the UK could maintain a quasi half-in/half-out position in the EU whilst retaining influence.

And these 2 speed EU plans seem to vindicate this stance.

Maybe an EU comprised of 27 quite different states is getting too hard to manage?

If the EE states are asked for greater contributions they will want more say in the direction the EU heads in.

CKhalvashi

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

For someone allegedly attempting to be "neutral" you sure are displaying plenty pro-EU propaganda.
Tell us why that is?

I was neutral on one point only and have never hidden what my views are, why my views are such and what I believe should happen.

I deny, however, that I have attempted to spread any propaganda, mearly shared how I see an issue on some points, while playing devils advocate on others. My thinking generally is very much outside of the box, and I have a wealth of life experiences that you don't have, whilst recognising that you have experiences I don't have too.

The point the country has reached and the huge divides this government has caused are not good for anyone, surely you can see that? What I have noticed on this thread is that there is a small subset of very hardened Leave voters, those that would leave the EU with no deal at all, and this is a minority of Leave voters.

I'd say that if things were to have gone that badly and you still supported the Tories, you would be the one wishing harm on the UK, not me.

Conrad

CKhalvashi wrote: »

So, anyone want to give what a good excuse to follow through with this is now? Trying to see this as neutrally as possible I can't see one, as it will give us the chance to pick and choose what we can't now.

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Why are you so against the sort of independence Australia, Canada, Japan and the rest enjoy?


We will work closely and in good manner with our European neighbours, but have no need to be bound by the messy complicated and very costly EU.


Cant you see we will thrive as a nimble footed autonomous nation and investors will very often prefer nice safe, uncomplicated, nimble footed Britain to the lumbering great EU mess with it's intrusive nature? As a nation we will come together behind this grand new vision of Britain.


If only you could envision the benefits of full autonomy, your whole outlook would shift.


Forgive me, but I do think your entire mental framing of this is due to some significance you attach to Thatcher's Single Market, but honestly we can trade perfectly well with France, Germany etc without SM membership and as many European Ministers KEEP pointing out, a good deal is in the interests of everyone. Even under WTO we would soon adapt and remember tariffs and barriers are not what they were in the 1970's, everything has changed and most trade is done perfectly happily under WTO. Have you read the posts detailing new WTO rules that make trade still easier? Do you not have a life full of goods and software from non EU nations?

Try just for a while, dropping your fear and opening you mind - I would think it would honestly be good for your mental well being - you only live about 29,000 days and a third of that asleep!! Worry and anxiety get you no where.

wotsthat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Wrong.
The UK can negotiate whatever deals it wants and with whoever it wants.
There is absolutely no way that the EU could prevent this, legally.

The signing and ratification of such agreements prior to exit from the EU may be another matter - though quite how the EU would enforce this should they become so belligerent as to necessitate such actions is questionable

The question is we should we expect the government to keep to agreements it has made.

If they don't like the agreement then they need to change it. That's what the exit negotiations are for.

Until then I'd prefer them to follow the agreed rules. It's not an emergency and just because the EU can't force the UK government to adhere to an agreement seems neither here nor there.

In any other situation this would seem entirely sensible - that we're talking about Brexit shouldn't make a difference.

mrginge

CKhalvashi wrote: »

The point the country has reached and the huge divides this government has caused are not good for anyone, surely you can see that? What I have noticed on this thread is that there is a small subset of very hardened Leave voters, those that would leave the EU with no deal at all, and this is a minority of Leave voters.

The country is no more divided now than it ever has been.
The Brexit debate has been had and the fallout subsiding.
The country is getting on with it and will deal with the consequences and exploit the opportunities.

The people who don't want to get on with it are the only ones continually harping on about division.
However, saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true.