If we vote for Brexit what happens

Conrad

mrginge wrote: »

A question I asked months ago TBH...

The reality is that even if parliament gets their 'meaningful' vote, there will simply be no scope to negotiate. So take it or leave it will be the only options.

I do hope so.


Been watching the Lords live on BBC these past few weeks and there are some seriously good brains in there, but this is offset by this rump of terrified neg-heads that see only problems and locusts besieging an independent nation, it really is a pathetic spectacle.

mrginge

... which is why the strategy being employed by the govt is entirely correct.

Ask for the maximum, plan for the minimum. End up somewhere in the middle.

Tromking

Good news re. the migration figures. Good to see also that the number of EU migrants applying for permanent residence in the UK has trebled in 12 months. A tremendous vote of confidence in post Brexit UK.

Conrad

Tromking wrote: »

Good news re. the migration figures. Good to see also that the number of EU migrants applying for permanent residence in the UK has trebled in 12 months. A tremendous vote of confidence in post Brexit UK.

This cannot be so, 'progressives' assure me we're now a laughing stock on the continent, and headed to oblivion.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

Good news re. the migration figures. Good to see also that the number of EU migrants applying for permanent residence in the UK has trebled in 12 months. A tremendous vote of confidence in post Brexit UK.

Or they are worried about the risk of being kicked out, whereas before they had no reason to apply for permanent residence due to FoM?

I imagine there will be quite a few family members trying to get in before the gate shuts, too. It's almost certain to be easier to leave the UK than enter it if we have a bad movement deal.

fewgroats

Brexit seems like a straw man really. Britain does have enough power to control its immigrants and the fact it doesn't speaks volumes, no matter what "the man in the pub" says. It's all going to get murky very quickly.

:mad:

A_Medium_Size_Jock

fewgroats wrote: »

Brexit seems like a straw man really. Britain does have enough power to control its immigrants and the fact it doesn't speaks volumes, no matter what "the man in the pub" says. It's all going to get murky very quickly.

:mad:

Oh dear, are you perchance another non-accepter?

Brexit is and was about much more than immigration you know; here are just a few examples I posted today in another thread.

... are you honestly surprised that so many Brits could not be positive regarding the EU?

The EU has attempted (and succeeded on many levels) to remove our individuality as a nation by stealth.
Do you not recall then the public outcries at so many of these EU interventions intended to "standardise" the UK and turn us into just another part of the EU, subservient to their faceless bureaucracy?

The change from buying petrol in gallons to litres; from a pound of apples to half a kilo; a quarter of sweeties into 100 grammes?
The application of VAT to gas and electricity, and women's sanitary products for example.

Or how about EU protectionism which has helped (if not actually caused) the decimation of much of what was once major traditional British industry?
Shipbuilding or the steel industry as examples, yet we see the EU "major players" retain their their manufacturing.

How about an apparent loss of sovereignty by being subservient to the European Court Of Justice?
Seeing criminals and activists delay deportation by years at a cost to the UK of millions of pounds because of this subservience is just one example of why some people cannot be positive about the EU.

No, there is much of the EU which it is very difficult to be positive about in the eyes of many.
I mention above just a small selection.
Hence the Brexit result.

See, not a mention of migration.

Also it is the opinion of many, myself included, that the "murky" would certainly have happened before long if we had instead voted remain with the EU thinking that they would have had a "carte blanche" for even more integration and federalisation.

CKhalvashi

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://www.bmmagazine.co.uk/newswire/net-migration-uk-falls-49000-brexit-vote/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/23/net-migration-to-uk-falls-by-49000-after-brexit-vote

So, its a good sign that workers don't see confidence in post-Brexit Britain is it?

Before I get called a non-accepter too, please take into account what I said the other week; I don't agree with it, and think it's a stupid idea, but I accept the result.

Same re: the new WTO rules, maybe they'll help Britain when it's a developing country in 2019

CKhalvashi

fewgroats wrote: »

Brexit seems like a straw man really. Britain does have enough power to control its immigrants and the fact it doesn't speaks volumes, no matter what "the man in the pub" says. It's all going to get murky very quickly.

:mad:

Yes, it does seem rather ridiculous that we could have solved the situation probably by having ID cards.

Oh, wait, the Conservative government decided they were a bad idea, despite the rest of the EU having them.

Tromking

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Yes, it does seem rather ridiculous that we could have solved the situation probably by having ID cards.

Oh, wait, the Conservative government decided they were a bad idea, despite the rest of the EU having them.

I guess you've highlighted another difference in the British psyche in comparison with mainland Europeans. I recall the debate re. ID cards and the civil liberties aspect was front and centre. I also recall that it was the Labour Government that ended the compulsory nature of the UK ID cards. It would've have been Un-British and maybe against EU law to require only foreigners to carry them surely?
You reside in no ordinary country CK, you need to acknowledge that. Brits care about the freedom of the individual to go about their business without hindrance from the State.