If we vote for Brexit what happens

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

We have years of this grief to look forward to!:mad:


Europe’s politicians believe a trade deal with the UK could take up to a decade or more and could still fail in the final stages, Downing Street has been warned by the UK’s ambassador to the EU.



https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/15/eu-politicians-believe-trade-deal-could-take-decade-no-10-is-warned

The tired diatribe of a tired old remainer living in the past, utterly clueless old fashioned diplomatic trough feeder. Straight talking, entrepreneurial pragmatism is the new diplomacy. The UK - US prosperity boom will leave the EU for dust


Never before has a trade deal been so easy. We're starting off as fully aligned trading partners with existing free trade in full flow. Immigration is not up for negotiation.


We hold so many aces, we'll need an Octopus at the negotiating table

gfplux

Conrad wrote: »

A constant Remainer drum beat just after the vote was to say we'd be sorry by autumn, which was then revised to Xmas. Many Remainers assured me (all over the net and radio) we'd have recession by now, people hurting which would make them re-consider their vote


Now of course the Hyde Park Corner speakers have put the day of reckoning back again - plenty say we'll be in turmoil as soon as A50 is triggered, lol

Absolutely correct Conrad. Who foresaw that the triggering of Brexit would be so delayed. You are quite right while Britain remains in the EU Britain will continue to prosper.
Long may it continue.

gfplux

Conrad wrote: »

As I've travelled across Germany I have not found the Rotherhams, the Bradfords, Leicesters, Coventry's, Birminghams, Lutons etc etc

Ok so I am not keeping up.
What does it mean.
Living only a few kilometres from Germany perhaps I can help.

Conrad

mwpt wrote: »

What are your thoughts on free movement of people within towns, counties, countries, continents, trading blocks?

Presumable you believe in free movement of people within Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland?

Is this purely a pragmatic decision or are you philosophically opposed to people from other countries being allows to form free movement agreements? For example, New Zealand and Australia do so.

Managed migration and the levels we had pre-Blair will be appropriate.
Movement of LABOUR, not people ( I forsee fake employers / jobs becoming a new business to enable spongers to get into Britain).

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

What are your thoughts on free movement of people within towns, counties, countries, continents, trading blocks?

Presumable you believe in free movement of people within Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland?

Is this purely a pragmatic decision or are you philosophically opposed to people from other countries being allows to form free movement agreements? For example, New Zealand and Australia do so.

I am a pragmatic person and so am concerned more with how things work in practice that about any philosophy or ideology.

If free movement of all peoples of the world resulted in modest movement of people with similar cultural values, then I would support that. However, given the difference in wealth, religions, commitment to democracy, relative size of the country etc I think this is not in the best interest of the UK.

Conrad

gfplux wrote: »

Absolutely correct Conrad. Who foresaw that the triggering of Brexit would be so delayed.


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Remaoners insisted we'd have recession by Xmas, said AFTER the vote, and in full knowledge A 50 triggering was a long way off.


All they ever have is fantasy crystal ball end is nigh nonsense.


Trade will not be hampered, the EU won’t want to take a trade hit for the sake of political posturing.

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

I don't. I think you going on about the plight of African farmers is hypocrisy.

Which particular post or posts are you talking about?

What I have talked about is the benefit to both the businesses and/or individuals in the UK and businesses and/or individuals in non eu countries from trading together (I use Africans as an example as they are near by and poor): why is that hypocricy?

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

In a fair world we would all have the same income and the same standard of living and the same opportunities. I guess we would all share the same wars and intolences too.

As a purely pragmatic view, I wish to maintain broadly my standard of living and those of my family, friends and countrypeople.
I wish to do this without regard to race, ethnic origin, sexual orientation etc.

Now many people 'in principle' believe lots of things but don't actual live their principles.

Unlimited immigration into the UK would make us all poorer : I don't wish to be poor because of your faux 'principles'.

Discriminating by way of trade etc is un-necessary and keeps developing countries poor without any advantage to you : so why do you approve of it.

I don't believe in unlimited immigration for pragmatic reasons too.

Neither do I approve of tariffs whether applied by the UK as part of the EU or the UK outside the EU. I'm doubtful we'll see much in the way of meaningful change due to Brexit.

The main difference is your sense of 'us' is limited by the UK coastline (and maybe even Hadrian's wall) whilst my sense of 'us' managed to encompass much of Europe. For some reason you think that qualifies you to reside upon the moral high ground.

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

I think you're too isolated in England. Largely on the continent, people are still pro-EU and the project is "working".

Just like everything in life, there will be some pros and some cons but people seem to think the pros outweigh the cons.

Here in England, you're exposed too much to the anti-EU press and think that the cons are outweighing the pros.

maybe in the EU the people are exposed to too much pro EU press and think the pros outweigh the cons e.g high youth unemplyment, the dire state of Greece etc.

kabayiri

mwpt wrote: »

What are your thoughts on free movement of people within towns, counties, countries, continents, trading blocks?
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Since you're asking....it's a crock of sh*t.

At least 3 billion people on this planet can't muster up enough resources to get to a wealthier location.

It's a middle class invention if you ask me.

Do you really think Osborne wants his nice Cheshire village to be quadrupled in size by thousands from the poor parts of Wales or Scotland or even Manchester?

Not a bit of it.

People have always been priced out of certain places, and if anything this is increasing.

The idea of a low income family from Manchester moving lock stock and barrel to London to access more work opportunities is laughable.

Including housing costs, the cost of living gap is wider than it has been for decades.

Haven't you noticed thousands of sheds passing for homes in London?