If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

CKhalvashi wrote: »

You mentioned keeping developing countries poor, I stated how the government is planning to offset this partly.

We can trade with businesspeople in non-EU countries now. Germany does it a lot more than we do, and is still an EU member, so I don't get what your point is regarding needing to be outside of the EU to do so.

I believe in the mutual benefits of TRADE ; that isn't the same a corrupt arrangments between politicians; its about TRADE:

You may not agree with me but why can't you understand a very simple concept. MUTUAL BENEFITS of TRADE

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

Just the hypocrisy.

if you think that the concept of the benefits of trade is hypocrisy then I think you are confused.

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

You may not agree with me but why can't you understand a very simple concept. MUTUAL BENEFITS of TRADE

We do. But it's got sod all to do with whether or not we leave the EU.

You've found a point you think makes you look like it's not a selfish anti-immigrant gesture and you're going to stick to it no matter what, but it doesn't actually hold any water.

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

if you think that the concept of the benefits of trade is hypocrisy then I think you are confused.

I don't. I think you going on about the plight of African farmers is hypocrisy.

ruggedtoast

Moby wrote: »

The 'right royal f**k off' was how the Mail and Sun presented it.....I don't agree with their 'analysis'. Dacre and Murdoch hate the EU. We were given concessions no other member country had been offered and that was spun into how you described it!
Whatever you think about the club ....it's better to be in and fighting for change rather than cutting ourselves adrift. This is going to go on and on and on. The energy spent on brexit surely would have been much better employed putting right our NHS or Social Care provision!:mad:

We live in a very uncertain world....France, Germany, Italy etc are our closest neighbours....we need them onside, common interests etc......... instead we are fighting on several fronts for our future. No one knows how this will turn out.....I for one don't have the stomach for it....I was happy with the EU and NATO as a shelter and a means to have influence.

No no Moby. You have it all wrong. Its all about Brexit, biscuit tins, kowtowing to the Daily Mail and taking our country back so we can hand it over to the Tories' backers.

prosaver

Lloyd's would of have to had a dept in the EU anyway.
they got many departments in different countries already
Dont worry about it, our business rates and taxes will be cheaper than the EU.

kabayiri

Moby wrote: »

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Whatever you think about the club ....it's better to be in and fighting for change rather than cutting ourselves adrift. This is going to go on and on and on. The energy spent on brexit surely would have been much better employed putting right our NHS or Social Care provision!:mad:
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What if you genuinely think that this club is doomed to failure?

If you think this, then you try to extricate yourself don't you?

I genuinely think history will look back on the Euro as one of the worst creations by the modern Western world. I concede that it has been fantastic for many Germans.

Moby

kabayiri wrote: »

What if you genuinely think that this club is doomed to failure?

If you think this, then you try to extricate yourself don't you?

I genuinely think history will look back on the Euro as one of the worst creations by the modern Western world. I concede that it has been fantastic for many Germans.

I think the best and pragmatic approach would have been to keep our options open....i.e stay in but with our eyes open re. the Euro, immigration etc. Instead we have gone 'all or nothing' and closed down future options. That's the problem for me. I find it shocking because it goes against this country's traditions ie we've always been pretty pragmatic, sensible in our foreign policy, built alliances, kept the balance etc. Instead what we may have done is pushed Germany and France further together and thereby against us. Even the Swedish Premier, a few days ago, (a country traditionally close and with the same political aims), alluded to this.

mwpt

kabayiri wrote: »

The same is happening with the EU. They are trying to continue with this pretence that the project is working for all, when it clearly isn't.

I think you're too isolated in England. Largely on the continent, people are still pro-EU and the project is "working".

Just like everything in life, there will be some pros and some cons but people seem to think the pros outweigh the cons.

Here in England, you're exposed too much to the anti-EU press and think that the cons are outweighing the pros.

mwpt

CLAPTON wrote: »

You may not agree with me but why can't you understand a very simple concept. MUTUAL BENEFITS of TRADE

What are your thoughts on free movement of people within towns, counties, countries, continents, trading blocks?

Presumable you believe in free movement of people within Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland?

Is this purely a pragmatic decision or are you philosophically opposed to people from other countries being allowed to form free movement agreements? For example, New Zealand and Australia do so.