If we vote for Brexit what happens

TrickyTree83

Herzlos wrote: »

You missed the tariff free trade part. But those were the 4 clauses stated.

My point is largely the same; the concerns we've seen from (for instance) Japanese investment hasn't been trivial stuff like will the corporation tax be fixed, but fundamental stuff like "Can we still use the UK as a gateway to the EU?", which hasn't been answered yet. It's disingenuous to refer to that as jitters.

Why is it disingenuous?

They had a small crisis in confidence that they say they are now over thanks to the intervention of the government minister who said he gave assurances over skills, training, R&D and to seek tariff-free trade. Whether we get it or not wasn't in the assurances that made Nissan happy to carry on with the status quo.

Herzlos

Because you're implying that the concern they had was a trivial thing that they could overcome anyway, rather than a fundamental shift in the way they do business which might force them to spend millions to relocate to a new country.

They didn't have "a small crisis in confidence"; they had serious concerns about the viability of their UK based business. Concerns serious enough to be dealt with in private, with the Prime Minister. I'd agree it was a small crisis if it was settled by a local Council representative, but it was a face-to-face meeting with the most senior UK representative (beyond the Royal family).

TrickyTree83

Herzlos wrote: »

Because you're implying that the concern they had was a trivial thing that they could overcome anyway, rather than a fundamental shift in the way they do business which might force them to spend millions to relocate to a new country.

They didn't have "a small crisis in confidence"; they had serious concerns about the viability of their UK based business. Concerns serious enough to be dealt with in private, with the Prime Minister. I'd agree it was a small crisis if it was settled by a local Council representative, but it was a face-to-face meeting with the most senior UK representative (beyond the Royal family).

They wanted assurances. They got them. Business as usual for Nissan. Why are we trying to blow it up to be more than that?

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

Correct. That's just for the (government) admin work; That's about 3000 staff at London average wage for 2 years. Considering that there are apparently 400,000 "civil servants" that staffing number doesn't seem to far out there, but I bet a lot of them are on more than £32kpa.

I doubt the figure includes all of the admin work wasted by private companies either.

We'll need to make more than this out of Brexit in order to just break even.

a very modest cost now for regaining our sovereignty and large return in the long term.

ruggedtoast

Furious pro-brexit supporters demonstration doesn't get quite the turnout hoped for:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-protests-parliament-london-article-50-eu-referendun-a7434416.html

Thousands pledged to protest against High Court ruling on Article 50 - but only 100 people turned up

Well even a 100 Brexitwits descending on London was doubtless enough to lower the average IQ of the city by a measurable amount that day.

Doubtless the others got lost trying to differentiate between their ar$$es and their elbows and getting lost in the woods due to the confusing number of trees.

Herzlos

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

They wanted assurances. They got them. Business as usual for Nissan. Why are we trying to blow it up to be more than that?

I'm not; I'm just pointing out that they shouldn't be trivialized. Who knows how much these assurances will cost us or if they will be sufficient?

CLAPTON wrote: »

a very modest cost now for regaining our sovereignty and large return in the long term.

I dunno, it's an awful lot of money to waste on paperwork. What sovereignty and large return are we looking at?

If the Brexiteers are so sure of it, can they pay everyone elses share too?

Would you be happy with any other change that had a £400+ million admin bill, with no idea what the payoff will be?

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

I dunno, it's an awful lot of money to waste on paperwork. What sovereignty and large return are we looking at?

If the Brexiteers are so sure of it, can they pay everyone elses share too?

Would you be happy with any other change that had a £400+ million admin bill, with no idea what the payoff will be?

One needs to put the money into a perspective : I have already done that but if you wish you could compare it to how much 'paper work' costs the EU.

TrickyTree83

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm not; I'm just pointing out that they shouldn't be trivialized. Who knows how much these assurances will cost us or if they will be sufficient?

So what is wrong with assurances over investment in skills, training and R&D, whilst also seeking to obtain tariff free trade? Clearly if that is true then the possibility of non-tariff free trade is no longer an obstacle for Nissan?

Conrad

£400 million is about 15 days EU club fees which of course the Remainers don't bat an eyelid over

All manner of increased costs will be comming down the EU pipe but the Remainers ignore all this uncertainty

Geert Wilders is due in Court, if he goes down, watch a massive surge in right wing support

Conrad

BTW just to underscore Liberal duality, notice how they are all in a tis over London being unaffordable place to live for key workers, and now they are saying even school heads etc, but then they cannot explain that if it is so expensive how it is thousands of new immigrants arrive there each week and remember, liberals tell us they don't claim benefits

Go around London talk to new migrants, most have a home, so as I've always said the reality is they DO claim all manner of benefits especially in work HB otherwise how are they affording London