If we vote for Brexit what happens

movilogo

http://institutions.ukcisa.org.uk//info-for-universities-colleges--schools/policy-research--statistics/research--statistics/international-students-in-uk-he/#

Out of all students (excl UK students) - 33 % EU, 67 % non-EU

EU students pay same fee as home students and can get student loan. But if they run away without paying the loan off, UK govt. can do very little to recover it.

Conrad

movilogo wrote: »

Angela Merkel signals key concession on freedom of movement as Canada warms to 'particularly special' relationship with post-Brexit Britain

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/16/theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-pmqs-brexit-angela-merkel-live/

Post-truth remainiacs assured me Merkel and Brussels would never compromise on FOM.


Post trust remainiacs say Britain is a laughing stock, therefore Canada will shun us.

MobileSaver

movilogo wrote: »

33 % EU

EU students pay same fee as home students and can get student loan.

Out of those 33% EU students, currently only a third take out a loan so just 10% of the entire non-UK student population.

As from this year new EU students need to have been resident in the UK for 5 years or an EEA migrant worker to be able to apply for a student loan so the already small numbers are obviously going to get even smaller.

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Clapton, you wont convince the mass immigration lovers of the detrimental effects.


These folk believe in no limits, and that pretty anyone who wants to come here, should. It's a totally different mind-set, that is profoundly Human centric. They do not care for things like quality of life, wildlife impact, congestion, the general spread and impacts of millions more Humans

You thinking we're mass immigration lovers just highlights how far you're missing the point.

There seem to be 2 main camps here, one which blames immigrants for everything, and one which blames the government.

You seem to think quality of life issues are because foreigners are clogging everything up, whereas I think the issues are caused by poor planning, and corporate-enriching Tories that do all they can to cut back on anything they can, including workers rights & infrastructure.

I agree that a lot of this country needs a major overhaul, but that'll be even less likely without the population to pay for it.

Plus, if, as you think, the issue is purely with population, how do places like Tokyo manage to embarrass us when it comes to infrastructure?

London won't implode if there are more migrants, as long as the government actually makes an effort to keep up.

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Post-truth remainiacs assured me Merkel and Brussels would never compromise on FOM.

She isn't really, though I don't know how she'll frame it. Freedom of movement is an absolute requirement, that's not changed.

Post trust remainiacs say Britain is a laughing stock, therefore Canada will shun us.

How you can trust anyone after Johnson and Farage is beyond me.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Conrad wrote: »

Post-truth remainiacs assured me Merkel and Brussels would never compromise on FOM.


Post trust remainiacs say Britain is a laughing stock, therefore Canada will shun us.

And there you are hitting the proverbial nail squarely on the head.

No matter what factual evidence surfaces of a positive nature regarding the UK post-referendum there remain these pro-remain supporters who will insist upon seizing any negative at all in sad attempts to prove pro-leave advocates wrong.

They did not learn from our referendum that these manipulative tactics are counter-productive.
They still have not learned from the USA elections that such tactics are counter-productive.
And they may in fact never learn that using deceit, coercion and derogatory /threatening terminology are counter-productive.

Which is why I personally chuckle at posts from the likes of Toastie, Mayo, Herzlos and others of similar ilk - they are appearing to be increasingly desperate to promote a stance which has no substance in fact, reason or logic.

Carry on say I; you're doing a better job of proving Brexit to be the best option than all the evidence so far, of which there is plenty BTW.
As our transatlantic cousins would say: "Way to go, guys!".

movilogo

EU laws (e.g. freedom of movement etc.) are not like physics or maths laws (e.g. Newton's laws of motion, Archimedes principle etc.).

These are man made rules which can be bent/revised/deleted/re-created based on political needs. In politics, everything is negotiable. It depends who has more power/leverage when the negotiation is made.

Conrad

movilogo wrote: »

EU laws (e.g. freedom of movement etc.) are not like physics or maths laws (e.g. Newton's laws of motion, Archimedes principle etc.).

These are man made rules which can be bent/revised/deleted/re-created based on political needs.

Precisely, which is why I've been saying reality is not something handed down to us on a stone tablet, but something moveable and shaped by us.


The whole remain stance is built on the notion everything is fixed and we will be simple victims to events

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

Freedom of movement is an absolute requirement,

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Not for S Korea, Japan, Canada and all the others. We will obviously trade perfectly well with Europe whilst setting our own migration rules. Europe will not be in a position to harm it's citizens with trade hampering measures - I PROMISE you this


It's all so bloody simple

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Not for S Korea, Japan, Canada and all the others.

None of them are part of the single market.

Again, no-one is saying we won't trade with the EU if we drop FoM, but as it stands we won't be able to trade via the single market without FoM. I don't know how to get that across.

We will obviously trade perfectly well with Europe whilst setting our own migration rules. Europe will not be in a position to harm it's citizens with trade hampering measures - I PROMISE you this

Indeed, but EU can completely shaft us without hurting it's own citizens, simply by giving us WTO terms, which seems to be what we want.