If we vote for Brexit what happens

Herzlos

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

This isn't correct. The universities fund themselves now by not failing students. I'm close friends with a former lecturer at a university in Birmingham who recently quit without a job to go to, because the university was doctoring test results/ignoring test results to maintain student numbers, and therefore loan payments.

I don't doubt that happens. Maybe it's different in Scotland, but foreign students paying fees cover a lot of the costs. Maybe that's non-EU students though, the fees those guys pay are crazy.

In any case, we want to be encouraging people to pay for our universities, rather than chasing them off. Especially if our own students can't afford to attend (or afford to ever pay off the loans).

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

do you know any FACTS about anything at all ?
next you'll be telling us that boomers get free TV licenses

What facts are you after Clappers? I can give you the immigration data of international students to any granular level you want. Down to how many BA Business students from Germany enrolled at a specific university at any given year.

Its because I have the facts that I am not trembling with febrile xenophobia. Thats ultimately what xenophobia is, fear of the unknown,

Don't continue to live in ignorance. It clearly isn't doing you any good.

ruggedtoast

Herzlos wrote: »

I don't doubt that happens. Maybe it's different in Scotland, but foreign students paying fees cover a lot of the costs. Maybe that's non-EU students though, the fees those guys pay are crazy.

In any case, we want to be encouraging people to pay for our universities, rather than chasing them off. Especially if our own students can't afford to attend (or afford to ever pay off the loans).

I call BS on that,.

What "test" results? This isn't the US where instructors set their own tests when they feel like it.

Students in UK HE either sit an externally moderated exam at the end of each semester or they hand in externally moderated coursework.

There is next to no latitude to provide soft marking unless he's suggesting that the universities are paying off their own examiners and the externals too.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

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In any case, we want to be encouraging people to pay for our universities, rather than chasing them off. Especially if our own students can't afford to attend (or afford to ever pay off the loans).

We do encourage our students to pay for our universities in England.

Students are paying over £300 per week for tuition, and there are more students than ever.

Universities understand the importance of this funding source too. If you visit they are now emphasising the need to deliver value to students.

Conrad

Clapton, you wont convince the mass immigration lovers of the detrimental effects.


These folk believe in no limits, and that pretty anyone who wants to come here, should. It's a totally different mind-set, that is profoundly Human centric. They do not care for things like quality of life, wildlife impact, congestion, the general spread and impacts of millions more Humans


Above all they celebrate the denudation of vital medical skills from very vulnerable developing nations, they don't care, they adore privileging UK citizens over all others.


Who cares if orphans with cystic fibrosis have no Nurses in Syria, they can go to hell, and we can 'celebrate' yay, having more nurses for fat British people

A_Medium_Size_Jock

EU news today:
Six countries at risk of breaking EU budget discipline rules.

"The Draft Budgetary Plans of these Member States might result in a significant deviation from the adjustment paths towards the respective medium-term objective," the Commission said.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eurozone-budgets-idUKKBN13B19N?il=0

German news today:

Far-right extremists in Germany are increasingly ready to commit violent acts and are now networking with like-minded groups across Europe and in some cases even with the United States, the head of Germany’s domestic intelligence agency said.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-german-rightwing-idUKKBN13B15J?il=0
This two days after reports that "Germany's spy agency has warned that the "Islamic State" (IS) is infiltrating refugee groups to get into Europe."
http://www.dw.com/en/islamic-state-reportedly-training-terrorists-to-enter-europe-as-asylum-seekers/a-36389389

Also in Germany:

The acrimony in Berlin over choosing a successor to President Joachim Gauck showed no sign of abating on Sunday.
Three quarters of an hour into a discussion on the matter, Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel stormed out of the meeting with Chancellor Angela Merkel and Bavarian Premier Horst Seehofer.

http://www.dw.com/en/germanys-vice-chancellor-abruptly-ends-talks-with-merkel-over-presidential-succession/a-36378389
Whilst it seems Angela Merkel WILL stand for re-election:
http://www.dw.com/en/merkel-to-stand-for-fourth-term-as-chancellor-cdu-politician-norbert-r%C3%B6ttgen-tells-cnn/a-36404703

To those nit-picking upon every imagined piece of negativity surrounding Brexit I say circumspice; look around you.
So not all in the UK garden is rosy - tell us where this imaginary utopia is eh, because it sure as heck isn't anywhere within the EU?

BTW, UK employment rises and (surprise) unemployment falls:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-jobs-idUKKBN13B0XA

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I call BS on that,.

What "test" results? This isn't the US where instructors set their own tests when they feel like it.

Students in UK HE either sit an externally moderated exam at the end of each semester or they hand in externally moderated coursework.

There is next to no latitude to provide soft marking unless he's suggesting that the universities are paying off their own examiners and the externals too.

Total balls.

The guy I know had been lecturing on and tutoring Java programming for nearly a decade at a university in Birmingham. I met him in October at a mutual friends housewarming party at which point we spoke since I'm in the private IT sector and he told me why he'd quit. He no longer wanted to teach if the students that didn't try, failed and were automatically passed to keep students at the university and paying fees. He's since got a job in the private sector and has since told me he's happier now but wishes it hadn't come to this. He considered it an insult to him, to the other students who put in the effort and to the idea and institution of university.

Call whatever you like, it's true, it happened. I was as shocked as you probably are, I suggested he go to the media about it to expose these practices since we're both friends with an editor for Trinity Mirror. But as he said it would possibly cause him and his family more hassle, he's left (sadly), moved on and is looking forward now.

It's not total balls just because you don't know about it, or because you believe blindly in the integrity of the system.

Edit: First time I've googled this subject and I came across this article about a lecturer who did exactly the same as my friend.

http://www.communitycare.co.uk/2015/08/18/resigned-lecturer-university-fail-social-work-students/

I also found this older article in the BBC, a left leaning outlet so I'm sure you support it's endeavours.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7358528.stm

Edit 2: Here's another one.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/7307909/University-lecturer-who-resigned-in-protest-at-dumbing-down-was-unfairly-treated.html

They cannot fail too many students, regardless of standards, they want the money!!!

Edit 3: Came across this gem, again in a left media outlet, that plagiarism is rife with a quote from a Birmingham university no less!

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/jun/15/cheating-rife-in-uk-education-system-dispatches-investigation-shows

What do you think RuggedToast?

movilogo

Angela Merkel signals key concession on freedom of movement as Canada warms to 'particularly special' relationship with post-Brexit Britain

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/16/theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-pmqs-brexit-angela-merkel-live/

Conrad

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

So not all in the UK garden is rosy - tell us where this imaginary utopia is eh, because it sure as heck isn't anywhere within the EU?

Ha, last night I once more saw Europhiles in the Independent comments wheeling out the standard 'Britain is now a laughing stock' rhetoric.


So unoriginal, it's as if none of them ever has an original thought, they always wheel out these same tired, lazy soundbites they heard from Poly Toynbee.


I pointed out that Google and many others are voting with their cash and choosing to carry on investing huge sums in Britain and that thousands of EU citizens are choosing to come to this 'laughing stock' land each week.


Should not these Europhiles be warning immigrants not to come to this land of the laughing stock?

MobileSaver

CLAPTON wrote: »

EU rules mean that EU students are treated like UK students and get UK loans just like us.

Straw man argument. The vast majority of overseas students are not from the EU.