If we vote for Brexit what happens

BobQ

stator wrote: »

Bit off topic, but are people like Sturgeon seriously suggesting that if the UK leaves the single market and trade barriers go up, that Scotland would be better off inside the EU, damaging trade between Scotland and the UK, than it would inside the UK and damaging trade between Scotland and the EU?
I can't believe that anyone would even suggest that the Scottish economy isn't intertwinned with the rest of the UK

You mean like the Eire -UK is interconnected?

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

I never said anyone mentally ill. Mental illness is not related to intelligence.

I do not condemn anyone for lacking intelligence. The world would be equally badly afflicted if decisions were limited to the most intelligent voters. I just acknowledge that it is the price we must pay for democracy.

what I posted was

the left has some history of condemning opposition as mental subnormal or mentally ill
sadly little is learned from history although one isn't surprised

and contrast it with your critisism that people who didn't agree with your were lacking intelligence

mrginge

BobQ wrote: »

Thank you Thrugelmir.

Maybe the UK should invite her to negotiate the Brexit agreement for us?:)

I think the penny may just be dropping that soft Brexit might not be an actual choice.

The govt have taken a hard-ish Brexit stance, not because it's necessarily the choice they want to take, but because it's the most likely outcome. Better to prepare markets and the public for that eventuality sooner rather than later.
Probabaly also better to focus time and effort mitigating for the downsides of hard Brexit rather than desperately trying to fight a lost cause.

BobQ

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You cannot simply ignore the very meaning of the word sovereignty because it's inconvenient.

It boils down to this:

Inside the EU = not sovereign

Why? = Because "noun. A state with a defined territory that administers its own government and is not subject to or dependent on another power" Therefore every EU member state is subject to another power for some of it's legislation.

Outside the EU = sovereign

Interesting argument. Is the UK's energy supply sovereign? Is its food supply sovereign? Is its steel supply sovereign? Is its supply of computers sovereign? Is our ability to defend ourselves sovereign?

Inside the EU = Not sovereign
Outside the EU = Not sovereign

Ballard

CLAPTON wrote: »

could you give us your indepth analaysis of what will happen to our services industry after brexit so we can all learn from you

None of us know so we have uncertainty. Before the vote we didn't have uncertainty. Uncertainty is not thought to be a beneficial thing for business.

I hope that that's simple enough for you to understand.

CLAPTON

Ballard wrote: »

None of us know so we have uncertainty. Before the vote we didn't have uncertainty. Uncertainty is not thought to be a beneficial thing for business.

I hope that that's simple enough for you to understand.

lets take an example

the rewards on investment in future projects are uncertain.

I hope you can understand the implications but please feel free to ask if you don't.

ruggedtoast

The solution to the stupidity of Brexit voters and their xenophobia should be education.

Instead the UK has decided to respond by pulling itself out of the biggest trading bloc on the planet.

It's like treating appendicitis by amputating a leg, and makes about as much sense.

BobQ

mrginge wrote: »

I think the penny may just be dropping that soft Brexit might not be an actual choice.

I think the more extreme Brexiteers have a strategy to make a soft Brexit impossible, the characterisation of the Remainers as Remoaners being part of that strategy.

The govt have taken a hard-ish Brexit stance, not because it's necessarily the choice they want to take, but because it's the most likely outcome. Better to prepare markets and the public for that eventuality sooner rather than later.

The Government's stance is more to do with holding together a divided party and a divided nation. The nation now comprises a continuum ranging from soft to hard Brexit supporters.

Probabaly also better to focus time and effort mitigating for the downsides of hard Brexit rather than desperately trying to fight a lost cause.

If by that you mean we should all accept that we are leaving the EU and the need to get our nation in the best position possible I agree.

But the trouble is that the hard Brexit supporters see it as an evangelical enterprise and are determined to demonise those who want to have a meaningful debate on what Brexit options are best for the UK as not supporting their righteous cause. That means denigrating soft Brexit thinking and attacking Bremoaners as negative.

It appears the debate will go no in Government and the public will have to accept whatever they decide.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The solution to the stupidity of Brexit voters and their xenophobia should be education.

Instead the UK has decided to respond by pulling itself out of the biggest trading bloc on the planet.

It's like treating appendicitis by amputating a leg, and makes about as much sense.

nothing like that
but it would be interesting to know why you adopt the Rotherham solution to known child expolitation in the largest trading bloc in the world.
In such a rich block one would think that there would be resources to obey the law and protect such vulnerble children.
Not something you would consider important as it lacks the all important hatred for the people of the uK. Of course the homophobic parts of the largest trading block in the world wouldn't be of concern to you either.

gfplux

Don't worry. It's the opinion of one man. The other problem is he could be called an expert. Oh and another reason to dismiss it, it was reported in the Guardian. Plus it was reported on the Google finance page, so it's got to be rubbish, hasn't it?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/22/leading-banks-set-to-pull-out-of-brexit-uk

"Britain’s biggest banks are preparing to relocate out of the UK in the first few months of 2017 amid growing fears over the impending Brexit negotiations, while smaller banks are making plans to get out before Christmas."