If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Don't know, but why should they have to state the obvious?
As far as I know, not a single EU country has branded UK nationals as 'negotiation cards' either.

not one EU country has said that existing expat UK people can say.
clearly being held as negotiating cards.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

Strange thing about you brexiteers, you were bleating on about parliamentary sovereignty but now you want to deny parliament a say on the terms of the deal. What a sham.

Brexit is about returning power to the people not returning power to politicians. It's about making politicians do what the people want - not what politicians (and big multi- nationals) want. Politicians having a vote that puts them at odds with the referendum result how does that help?

CLAPTON

setmefree2 wrote: »

Fair play to Blair - his kids were educated in the state sector.

well, Blair's children went the London Oratory School
whilst a state Roman Catholic school, it was highly selective even if on unspecified criteria

interesting note

The London Oratory School has been heavily criticised by the Office of the Schools Adjudicator (OSA) for engaging in 'social selection', saying their entrance system had broken admission rules in 105 ways.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2693729/State-school-Blair-sent-two-sons-ordered-stop-excluding-poor-accused-discrimination.html#ixzz4MnjOTkpH
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2693729/State-school-Blair-sent-two-sons-ordered-stop-excluding-poor-accused-discrimination.html

Ballard

setmefree2 wrote: »

Brexit is about returning power to the people not returning power to politicians. It's about making politicians do what the people want - not what politicians (and big multi- nationals) want. Politicians having a vote that puts them at odds with the referendum result how does that help?

Where on earth did you get that idea? Brexit was solely about leaving the EU. This 'taking back control' malarkey doesn't come into it. Anyone who thought otherwise has been completely misled.

wotsthat

setmefree2 wrote: »

If you are a socialist you believe in equal opportunity for all - you don't believe in people using money to gain advantage for their children over other children. In my book, if you send your kids to a private school you are not a socialist. If you claim to be - then you are a hypocrite of the highest order.

Seriously, how can any body who thinks they are a socialist send their kids to Eton?

A 'socialist' sending their kids to private school is a hypocrite but, the multi millionaire, Tony Blair is OK in your books because his kids went to the London Oratory?

What are the 'rules' concerning private tuition? I think the Mail called Blair a hypocrite because his kids has private tuition in an attempt to buy advantage.

What about Billy Bragg? Is he OK? Talks a lot of left wing stuff and he lives in a nice house!

It's very complicated. Maybe we worry too much about labels and should realise most people have to juggle multiple, sometimes conflicting, labels.

Conrad

Wow, if you missed it watch CH 4News, on again from 8pm on plus 4. Remarkably upbeat about the economy sayings its firing on all cyclinders

Conrad

wotsthat wrote: »

A 'socialist' sending their kids to private school is a hypocrite but, the multi millionaire, Tony Blair is OK in your
books because his kids went to the London Oratory?

What are the 'rules' concerning private tuition? I think the Mail called Blair a hypocrite because his kids has private tuition in an attempt to buy advantage.

What about Billy Bragg? Is he OK? Talks a lot of left wing stuff and he lives in a nice house!

It's very complicated. Maybe we worry too much about labels and should realise most people have to juggle multiple, sometimes conflicting, labels.

It's thier absolutist sanctimonious implying that they are on the good side and doing the good things, that I cannot stomach when you look at thier real world meaningfull actions to amass and hoard wealth

cells

Conrad wrote: »

Tate & Lyle boss on Radio 4 with Evan Davis said sugar imports will be more competitive as they wont be subject to EU tariffs, and as Tate exports a lot of finnished goods, the positive effect is compounded still further.

Any imported inflation will be a one off, u less our currency falls and falls, we will easily cope and adapt, not to mention benefits of cheaper importing thanks to EU barriers and tariffs not applying

Tate & Lyle is a sugar cane processor they want to import cheap sugar cane and process it into sugar. The EU does not want that as the EU does not grow any sugar cane so the EU favors sugar beet growers and processors.

So yes perhaps out of the EU Tate & Lyle can import more cane and produce more cane sugar for the UK market at lower costs.

However what do you suppose will happen to the British farmers that grow the 8-9 million tons of sugar beet in the uk that is then processed at the British Sugar factories if Tate can start importing tariff free cane from cheap far away farms?


Without knowing it your advocating that the UK goes from producing and processing more than half the sugar it consumes to importing sugar cane and actual sugar from other countries (Mexico/Brazil) and closing down most the uk crop. I would not be against this but from your posting history I would have assumed you would have been against closing the uk industry to import the sugar.

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

Tate & Lyle is a sugar cane processor they want to import cheap sugar cane and process it into sugar. The EU does not want that as the EU does not grow any sugar cane so the EU favors sugar beet growers and processors.

So yes perhaps out of the EU Tate & Lyle can import more cane and produce more cane sugar for the UK market at lower costs.

However what do you suppose will happen to the British farmers that grow the 8-9 million tons of sugar beet in the uk that is then processed at the British Sugar factories if Tate can start importing tariff free cane from cheap far away farms?


Without knowing it your advocating that the UK goes from producing and processing more than half the sugar it consumes to importing sugar cane and actual sugar from other countries (Mexico/Brazil) and closing down most the uk crop. I would not be against this but from your posting history I would have assumed you would have been against closing the uk industry to import the sugar.

if you believe that free trade benefits both parties then it will be in the best interests of the people of the UK.
if you believe protectionism (e.g.EU's CAP) then you think the Uk will be worse off.

cells

Conrad wrote: »

Tate & Lyle boss on Radio 4 with Evan Davis said sugar imports will be more competitive as they wont be subject to EU tariffs, and as Tate exports a lot of finnished goods, the positive effect is compounded still further.

Why do you think outside the EU the UK will be free to import sugar cane from say Brazil at low prices and somehow free to sell that sugar onto Europe?

Why would the EU just not import refined sugar directly from Brazil themselves why do they need the cargo to first Land in the UK and be processed by Tate and then be shipped to the EU?

If anything a truly free trade in sugar would see the sugar grown and processed in Brazil/Mexico and then shipped in its compact table sugar form rather than import the 5x more bulky cane to process in a higher wage EU nation.


what you seem to imagine/hope seems to be the exact opposite of what would happen