If we vote for Brexit what happens

ruggedtoast

Yamumuk wrote: »

Behind this woman's posh accent lies a simple idiot. And she appeals to other idiots.

theguardian - business-leaders-urge-theresa-may-to-avoid-hard-brexit

This is the link for that:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/07/business-leaders-urge-theresa-may-to-avoid-hard-brexit#comment-84949913

The English need, and are going to get, a very hard lesson in what their place in the world actually is.

posh*spice

setmefree2 wrote: »

You know Toxic, for someone who continually complains about the lack of housing and overused transport here in the SE - you might, one of these days, get around to asking yourself whether there just might be a link between having 3 million extra people in the SE in 10 years and your current problems re getting a house and getting to work.

Just saying.

And he supports a party that is "relaxed" about immigration - which will make it even more difficult for him to get on a train or get a house.....

*sigh*

posh*spice

ruggedtoast wrote: »

This is the link for that:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/07/business-leaders-urge-theresa-may-to-avoid-hard-brexit#comment-84949913

The English need, and are going to get, a very hard lesson in what their place in the world actually is.

We'll see.

Tbh you sound scared. Why don't you admit to being scared and not really understanding what is going on, rather than being reduced to hysterical posts?

ruggedtoast

Yamumuk wrote: »

Yes, it was idiotic in the extreme to allow a French company to make an unnecessary, anti-investment in nuclear let alone (you and I will be paying for that guaranteed double price per unit as a dividend for Chinese money) a power station along with Chinese investment. We are governed by short termist, self serving imbeciles. There will be no benefits from this government not on Brexit and not on any other area of policy.

They are grossly incompetent at every level of governance. Purveyors of hot air and bad decisions for all that we will be paying for from our very own pockets.

We are doomed and the sooner the Brexit voters understand and sign a petition to revoke the referendum the better, before it is too late for us all. What a hopeless, small minded, short sighted, hateful, reckless country we are showing ourselves to be. The result of people who have had it too good for too long. A referendum which was not based on truth, manipulated peoples fears for a narrow win that almost 50pct of voters and I suspect the majority of those who did not vote, do not want. How can there be hope ? Really, how can you find hope within that sequence of events ?

Wake up. :mad:

And what of caring about people who have nothing coming from war torn places. Shameful, selfish and makes me disgusted to be British. They are no longer even mentioned whilst Greece absorb hundreds of thousands of destitute we moan about 2,000. I don't want to associate myself with any fellow countrymen who hold such views. What kind of supposedly successful country turns its back on those who have nothing ? One that is in fact gripped by fear, lacking power, ability and decent humane moral standards.

May's hot airsays it want unity (cloud cuckoo land, you think remainers will forgive destruction of the country ? ) and equality but the actions of the home office and the reports from the LSE are proving divisive and getting peoples back up. There will be no money for her so called "hot air this is what they want to hear equality" to be shared when investment dries up and jobs vanish as the exodus begins, from manufacturing and financial services.

The problem with this forum is people are narrow mindedly focusing on their own lot their own personal situation. What else could be expected from the selfish ? That is what it comes down to blame others who are not to blame for dissatisfaction for something seen to be deserved. Something denied by your own personal failure and compounded by successive terrible governance. Fools ! And now you take us all down.

Brexit voters are by and large, people at the bottom of the heap who blame immigrants for their problems, and right wing pensioners who remember the garbage strewn streets and embarrassingly dilapidated public buildings of the 80s and want to return to that.

There are some European commenters on the Guardian pointing out, quite reasonably, that the UK looks like a bit of a dump compared to France, Germany and the Netherlands. They are wondering whether we voted Leave because we blame this on the EU.

The reality is that the standard of living has improved immeasurably since we joined the EU. Aside from paper economic comparisons, in the real world, the average Brit is not as well off as his German or French counterpart. Our public spaces were improving however, and it was even almost getting possible to arrive in Heathrow and not wonder why it looked like you'd just arrived in the third world.

But I concede that isn't what English people want. They want the 80s back. They want poverty, they want the Tories, they want kids learning in freezing classrooms huddled 3 to a text book and crisp wrappers blowing over pot holed streets.

They want this because it's exactly what they've voted for.

Frankly. Screw them.

HornetSaver

Rinoa wrote: »

Has the EU given similar assurances for UK nationals living/working in the EU?

Never ceases to amaze me that the generation which came up with starving the young in order to get rich from property, the song "two world wars and a world cup win", Margaret Thatcher, Jim'll Fix it and Brexit, is, despite those absurd answers, capable of coming up with reasonable sounding questions.

Almost makes you think they were being selective...

ruggedtoast

posh*spice wrote: »

We'll see.

Tbh you sound scared. Why don't you admit to being scared and not really understanding what is going on, rather than being reduced to hysterical posts?

It's quite disappointing to have committed to life in an international country that was growing in prosperity and then wake up one day to find that it has voted to be a poorer, meaner, inward looking one.

Unlike many here my income actually depends on the economy working. It's doesn't land in my bank account as a pension paid by other people, or a dole payment.

Masomnia

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Brexit voters are by and large, people at the bottom of the heap who blame immigrants for their problems, and right wing pensioners who remember the garbage strewn streets and embarrassingly dilapidated public buildings of the 80s and want to return to that.

There are some European commenters on the Guardian pointing out, quite reasonably, that the UK looks like a bit of a dump compared to France, Germany and the Netherlands. They are wondering whether we voted Leave because we blame this on the EU.

The reality is that the standard of living has improved immeasurably since we joined the EU. Aside from paper economic comparisons, in the real world, the average Brit is not as well off as his German or French counterpart. Our public spaces were improving however, and it was even almost getting possible to arrive in Heathrow and not wonder why it looked like you'd just arrived in the third world.

But I concede that isn't what English people want. They want the 80s back. They want poverty, they want the Tories, they want kids learning in freezing classrooms huddled 3 to a text book and crisp wrappers blowing over pot holed streets.

They want this because it's exactly what they've voted for.

Frankly. Screw them.

I'm interested in how you square being pro-EU with being pro-Corbyn; after all he was Eurosceptic until about 6 months ago.

The EU forces austerity on countries, bans nationalising industries, is in the process of making it illegal to have nationalised rail services, negotiates deals like TTIP with the States. I'm at a loss to see why someone like yourself who is so against all of those things is so pro-EU.

Rinoa

ruggedtoast wrote: »

It's quite disappointing to have committed to life in an international country that was growing in prosperity

I agree, life's good under the Tories.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Brexit voters are by and large, people at the bottom of the heap who blame immigrants for their problems, and right wing pensioners who remember the garbage strewn streets and embarrassingly dilapidated public buildings of the 80s and want to return to that.

There are some European commenters on the Guardian pointing out, quite reasonably, that the UK looks like a bit of a dump compared to France, Germany and the Netherlands. They are wondering whether we voted Leave because we blame this on the EU.

The reality is that the standard of living has improved immeasurably since we joined the EU. Aside from paper economic comparisons, in the real world, the average Brit is not as well off as his German or French counterpart. Our public spaces were improving however, and it was even almost getting possible to arrive in Heathrow and not wonder why it looked like you'd just arrived in the third world.

But I concede that isn't what English people want. They want the 80s back. They want poverty, they want the Tories, they want kids learning in freezing classrooms huddled 3 to a text book and crisp wrappers blowing over pot holed streets.

They want this because it's exactly what they've voted for.

Frankly. Screw them.

You gave us the useless Jeremy Corbyn who couldn't get the Labour Remain vote out. AND NOW look where we are. THIS IS YOUR FAULT MATE.

sheffield_lad

As many know the issue with triggering article 50 is the cards are stacked against us. Yet Junker has made it clear no negotiation before the trigger. This is bad not only for the UK but for world trade.

So, should the UK request the help of a broker for the Brexit deal such as the IMF?

The deal would still go before the euro parliament but such brokered talks could be possible well before March and it would be in the IMF's interest for the UK to negotiate a deal which involves us staying in the single trading zone and making that clear to world business?