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cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

I would consider it foolish in the extreme to define my moral approval of people in terms of the closeness or otherwise of our family relationship.

but you do do that all the time

your homophobic grandparents never get a mention about their backwards thinking yet your arab cousins do.


before you go off on one, clearly when I say 'your' homophoic grandparents Im not talking about your blood grandmother or father rather the views and practises that were common in England say 50-60 years ago

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

rubbish
no-one other (apparently) yourself has any difficulty in making moral judgements about good and evil people.
your one dimensional approach confuses only you.

I think we are all capable of extreme good and bad. There is no confusing good and bad nor is this a discussion about that

It was a debate about your claim for liking your family a lot, its just taken a couple of hours for you to retract that and correctly claim you like your direct family a lot but not your distant family (can you confirm that for the record as i have done?)

Could you also admit a lot of the faults you claim you find and disapprove with immigrants you would find with the people of the UK 50-70 years ago?

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

but you do do that all the time

your homophobic grandparents never get a mention about their backwards thinking yet your arab cousins do.


before you go off on one, clearly when I say 'your' homophoic grandparents Im not talking about your blood grandmother or father rather the views and practises that were common in England say 50-60 years ago

by and large my 'grandparents' didn't bomb people on the London underground nor did they gun down people in Paris at a concert nor did they believe that their god allows/encourages them to rape young girls.

I do indeed hold strong views about the moral judgement made by various cultures but they have NOTHING to do with the genetic distance from myself.

why not try reading what I actually post and not made up fantasies that fit your narrow world view.

Kim_kim

cells wrote: »

it was the same here 50 years ago, do you call your grandparents backwards militant group of christain/athesists with disgusting ideas about gays and women?

My grandmother was a feminist :-). She bought a house on her own as a widow - a poor widow.

But yes westerners did have some backward & disgusting ideas about women & gay people.
Thankfully (most) western society has moved on & we are not backward homophobic sexists anymore.

thequant

cells wrote: »

but you do do that all the time

your homophobic grandparents never get a mention about their backwards thinking yet your arab cousins do.


before you go off on one, clearly when I say 'your' homophoic grandparents Im not talking about your blood grandmother or father rather the views and practises that were common in England say 50-60 years ago

To be fair, a large proportion of our homophobic grandparents (where they are still alive) have changed their views. Also back in the 50's they didn't advocate for throwing gays off tall buildings, maybe a little bit of electro shock therapy and hormone replacement therapy though.

As for our newcomers I see very little chance of rehabilitating their views, how do you argue with them that their god who they beleived created the universe, life and anything else has got it wrong on the gay thing ?

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

by and large my 'grandparents' didn't bomb people on the London underground nor did they gun down people in Paris at a concert nor did they believe that their god allows/encourages them to rape young girls.

but they did do all that, they just lied to you and covered it up and you willingly choose to forget it


They jailed gays and chemically castrated them: Check

They killed jews: The Massacre of the Jews at the coronation of Richard I : Check

They killed forigners: Evil May Day riot against foreigners takes place: Check

They kill and beat up people wearing different cloths: Spitalfields weavers rioted, attacking women wearing Indian clothing and then attempting to rescue their arrested comrades: Check

They riot and harm people of different sects of their own religon: Gordon Riots against Catholics. Check

They fought people due to the color of their skin: Notting Hill race riots between White British and West Indian immigrants: Check



hell they even killed a monkey thinking it was a french spy

Sapphire

thequant wrote: »

As for our newcomers I see very little chance of rehabilitating their views, how do you argue with them that their god who they beleived created the universe, life and anything else has got it wrong on the gay thing ?

Apropos, I see there is another report about attacks by migrants in Sweden. This time a 'child' stabbed to death a woman who was helping migrants. It's extraordinary really, these 'children' the media mentions appear to morph from the actual children shown in photographs, probably of around 6–7, into youths who look in their late teens and twenties but are called 'children'. Presumably they are travelling under false passports or lying about their ages. Or perhaps migrants from the Middle East and Africa happen to look as though they are in their twenties when they are in fact children below 10 years of age. :rotfl: Extraordinary. One learns something new every day.

And there are calls for Britain to take in these 'children' (AKA 'sex-starved goatherds', at the very least).

By the time these male migrants reached their teens and twenties, they were already indoctrinated in their vile beliefs, and it would be impossible for naive people in the West to change their point of view to one compatible with ours, as you point out.

cells

thequant wrote: »

To be fair, a large proportion of our homophobic grandparents (where they are still alive) have changed their views.

are you kidding

thequant wrote: »

Also back in the 50's they didn't advocate for throwing gays off tall buildings, maybe a little bit of electro shock therapy and hormone replacement therapy though.

kind of them

As for our newcomers I see very little chance of rehabilitating their views, how do you argue with them that their god who they beleived created the universe, life and anything else has got it wrong on the gay thing ?

how did you argue with your grandparents that their god who they believed created the universe, life and anything else has got it wrong on the gay thing on the slaves thing on the woman thing and the abortion thing?

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

but they did do all that, they just lied to you and covered it up and you willingly choose to forget it


They jailed gays and chemically castrated them: Check

They killed jews: The Massacre of the Jews at the coronation of Richard I : Check

They killed forigners: Evil May Day riot against foreigners takes place: Check

They kill and beat up people wearing different cloths: Spitalfields weavers rioted, attacking women wearing Indian clothing and then attempting to rescue their arrested comrades: Check

They riot and harm people of different sects of their own religon: 1780: Gordon Riots against Catholics Check

They fought people due to the color of their skin: 1958 Notting Hill race riots between White British and West Indian immigrants: Check



hell they even killed a monkey thinking it was a french spy

what's your point?

that because errors were made in the past that we must continue making the same mistakes for ever and you don't condemn todays killers?

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

what's your point?

that because errors were made in the past that we must continue making the same mistakes for ever and you don't condemn todays killers?

That they are no more or less evil or stupid than we are/were

I agree with you that the first generation of immigrants are 'different' but subsequent ones generally are not that different. And their differences bad or good only largely impact their own communities (eg they commit crimes against themselves more often than others)

Also this is not even about white vs non white, or christian vs non christian. many English folk still look down and think badly of Irish people who are mostly white and Christian. its back to the monkey sphere or tribalism as you call it. you/we only care about a small finite number of people (something like 200-500) and everyone else can go to hell