look the other way or dob in?

Tygermoth

I agree!

I bear the lass no personal ill will. I just knew that if there was any hint of irregularity in hours the door would slam shut on flexible working with 12 people being affected - that was my only worry and that's what happened.

I should also mention the other team member who spoke to the T/L is senior management (and is genuinely a lovely guy) so I doubt it was done with malice in mind, its likely he felt he had an obligation to the business to do so.


Its a shame all round.


(sorry for the weird font - I use a dyslexia friendly reading/writing font - normally when I cut and paste responses it resets to the websites default, in this case it didn't. I apologise to anyone who had to squint while reading the text)

Flyonthewall

prosaver wrote: »

your font is hard to read ..or is it just me?

I can read it fine. If you're dyslexic it may be harder to read.

Undervalued wrote: »

Isn't that a bit like blaming the policeman for arresting the criminal?

Actually the person who lost them their flexitime was the employee who broke the rules. Had they behaved correctly there would have been nothing to report!

Don't get me wrong, I understand where you are coming from but I think you are rather overstating it!

We don't know why she left early though. Could be a genuine reason.

Tygermoth wrote: »

I am not responsible for her actions. She left early - I didn't.

Her actions, not mine and not the other team members have brought this about.

It's the actions of both the other team member and her that have brought this about. If the other team member hadn't said anything then nothing would have happened. You don't know why she left early so until you know you shouldn't be blaming her anyway, you may well have done the exact same in her situation if, for example, she did have a personal emergency or worked through a break to leave early.

While you may not have done anything you were still seriously considering it. The other person just beat you to it. You may not be to blame for this, but that doesn't make you any better when it could quite easily have been you ruining the office's happiness and getting the woman sent home.

FredG

Flyonthewall wrote: »

I can read it fine. If you're dyslexic it may be harder to read.



We don't know why she left early though. Could be a genuine reason.



It's the actions of both the other team member and her that have brought this about. If the other team member hadn't said anything then nothing would have happened. You don't know why she left early so until you know you shouldn't be blaming her anyway, you may well have done the exact same in her situation if, for example, she did have a personal emergency or worked through a break to leave early.

From the sounds of the environment and the level of trust placed in the staff, surely she would have been comfortable raising an emergency situation or any other situation that caused her to leave early?

I've had to do it myself before now and I work in a similar trusting environment. We also have a fair share of mickey-takers and for a lot of them it's habitual. Obviously you can't apply that as a blanket judgment in all cases, I just think that the management at the OP's place appear to be very trusting and flexible in their approach.

Flyonthewall

Tygermoth wrote: »

(sorry for the weird font - I use a dyslexia friendly reading/writing font - normally when I cut and paste responses it resets to the websites default, in this case it didn't. I apologise to anyone who had to squint while reading the text)

Well I guess that's the opposite of my last reply - better for dyslexic people rather than harder lol.

FredG wrote: »

To be fair, if there's a trust arrangement in place for something as useful as flexitime I'd find it really annoying if someone risked that arrangement by taking the mick for personal gain.

It's all very well pointing the finger at someone who may raise it being a 'grass' but the individual is essentially being paid to do their Christmas shopping off the back of their boss's goodwill.

Same, but you don't know why they left early. If they're getting paid to be shopping or something like that then it's not right, especially if they keep doing it. This is (currently) a one off unknown reason though.

lisa110rry

Do you mind if I ask a tangential question? What industry do you work in OP? What "pain" was caused by leaving 20 minutes early - you have mentioned that you have been asked to help her with her work which might have been completed in the 20 minutes she did not work, but was anything else lost or put in danger?

I am so glad that I work in a more flexible company.

Flyonthewall

FredG wrote: »

From the sounds of the environment and the level of trust placed in the staff, surely she would have been comfortable raising an emergency situation or any other situation that caused her to leave early?

I've had to do it myself before now and I work in a similar trusting environment. We also have a fair share of mickey-takers and for a lot of them it's habitual. Obviously you can't apply that as a blanket judgment in all cases, I just think that the management at the OP's place appear to be very trusting and flexible in their approach.

Thing is we don't know if she was going to keep doing it.

If it was an emergency I guess it depends what it was. She may not have be thinking properly or thought she wouldn't have to say as no one would know anyway.

We also don't know what she told the company during the chat they had that left to her being sent home. They may have been harsh on her or she may have done something very wrong or maybe just made a little mistake that's against company policy and so despite being little had a massive consequence.

We don't have enough facts to judge her.

Poppie68

I would be peeved off as well and I know my former colleagues would be, why should one person be allowed to continue this behaviour unchallenged, but I wouldn't expect anyone to say anything without definitive proof of an on going pattern.

That said if it's happening on a regular basis management would of eventually cottoned on....

Poppie68

lisa110rry wrote: »

Do you mind if I ask a tangential question? What industry do you work in OP? What "pain" was caused by leaving 20 minutes early - you have mentioned that you have been asked to help her with her work which might have been completed in the 20 minutes she did not work, but was anything else lost or put in danger?

I am so glad that I work in a more flexible company.

Nobody should have to be given extra work because someone else decides to slope off early.
It comes down to trust, an adult should be trustworthy enough to be left on their own and work the hours they are paid for, if others are inconvenienced due to her skiving then left to fester it will make for a very uncomfortable work environment.

Poppie68

Flyonthewall wrote: »

I can read it fine. If you're dyslexic it may be harder to read.



We don't know why she left early though. Could be a genuine reason.



It's the actions of both the other team member and her that have brought this about. If the other team member hadn't said anything then nothing would have happened. You don't know why she left early so until you know you shouldn't be blaming her anyway, you may well have done the exact same in her situation if, for example, she did have a personal emergency or worked through a break to leave early.

While you may not have done anything you were still seriously considering it. The other person just beat you to it. You may not be to blame for this, but that doesn't make you any better when it could quite easily have been you ruining the office's happiness and getting the woman sent home.

If she left early for valid reasons then surely she should of gone to management and explained what had happened, she was obviously trying to hide it....How many times has she done it or would of continued to do it?

Tygermoth

I apologise. I don't know why she was sent home. I could make assumptions but that's not fair or right.


What I can comment on is we advised that that there was a serious concern when we were told that flex would not be continuing. I doubt 20 mins away would constitute serious concern? but I suppose that for the business to decide.