NHS - Time to privatise?

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GwylimT wrote: »

My wifes last stay in a private hospital was £500 per night, if you're that concerned why aren't you paying for him to receive care?

Unless he doesn't have adequate mental capacity a hospital do not need to inform you of when he leaves, clearly he chose his neighbour, which he is more than welcome to do as an adult.

I did want him to go private. He could afford it and I would have paid also. He point blank said he would refuse to go if I paid.

His attitude is I paid taxes all my life Im not paying now. So I cant force him.

Yes but there's mental capacity and being sensible. Hes 81. His outlook is different to mine.

If a doctor or nurse tells him something as far as hes concerned its gospel truth - its his generation. If he was dying and a nurse said "no you're ok to go home" he'd say "ok I suppose".

Nuts I know but I'm sure hes not the only old person like this.

And the hospital telling me that he didnt complain is just off. For the record he tells me he did say he wasnt sure if he could cope (which is not like him) he just didn't kick off and go ballistic like I would have.

Apprecaite a lot of this maybe should have been sorted before discharge day but over the course of the weekend I spoke to wat too many people whos attitude was too late not my problem. Every single one I spoke to the first thing I said was "I know this is being dumped on you and I'm sorry, but we are where we are now, please can you help or tell me where I can get help".

95% of the people I spoke to did not give a monkeys.

mickaveli2001

Time to privatize?


Absolutely not. Time to scrap the legislation that's been getting put in place to derail the NHS, making it easier to sway public opinion towards privatization! There is so much red tape and barriers put to the NHS in a bid to weaken the service that it's just getting ridiculous now

DomRavioli

[quote=[Deleted User];69632962]By the way, I did contact the ward before and discussed all of this. But someone in their rush to get him out forgot to phone me.

I have no issues with hard working professionals at all. The NHS needs more of them.

BUT, in my book, you're not a hard working professional unless you act like one. You're not bullet-proof just because you work for the NHS.

Pointless me arguing about it. My opinion holds no sway but I'm quite within my rights to query/complain.

If the Trust/NMC consider the actions taken to be incorrect then thats what matters. Person in question will then have to face the consequences. If it stops others doing the same then I'll be happy.

(and please don't give me the lack of money/busy/resources argument. There is no excuse - a nurse is accountable for his/her own actions regardless and they all know that).[/QUOTE]

So how did your father's neighbour know to come and pick him up? Did your dad ask them to call him instead of you?

You seem to not be giving the full material facts - There are very large holes in your "story" which need to be addressed before anyone can advise on whether there was any form of negligence from any party.

You still haven't said why your father's neighbour collected him and how the neighbour was informed to collect the patient at the appropriate time and place; or why, if there was any doubt regarding complications, you (or anyone else) didn't take him straight to A&E (which is what he will have been advised on ward) for prompt medical treatment; or why you didn't phone the ward for an update at any point between him being dropped off for the procedure and being notified that he was back home.(bearing in mind that the small number of nursing staff on any ward would have to look after a larger number of patients).

Also, if your father was unable to see, he has to tell the clinical professionals about this; if he did not do that, then you're on to a complete loser.

DomRavioli

[quote=[Deleted User];69632979]He didnt want to go home. He asked if they were sure he should go home. But hes 81, hes of the generation where you do as you're told and they knew it.

No he was told it would be a MINIMUM of one night and they would not send him home unless he was ok. That was arranged.[/QUOTE]

They would not book a patient in for a Friday procedure on a day ward if he was told he needed an overnight stay (because as you have stated, the ward is closed on weekends). They would also not tell a day patient that they could stay overnight unless this was pre-arranged (which it was very clearly not).

Could it be at all possible that he's telling you one thing and telling someone else another (seems very much like that)? Do you have a written formal statement from the neighbour stating clearly what was said?

pmduk

I won't deny your Father was poorly treated, but to suggest that a privatised NHS would be any better is ludicrous, I suggest there'd be even more pressure to discharge patients and maximise turnover.

teddysmum

[quote=[Deleted User];69627822]1. What? I didnt say that.
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Hes got sight in just one eye. They operated on the other. 10am on Friday they sent him home.





This means that either


1) He is blind in one eye and they operated on that eye, which wouldn't have made his situation any worse, as he has sight in the non-op eye. ie He would not be blind afterwards


or


2) The eye with sight is the one which should have been operated on as the other is blind. ie the wrong eye (which is what I questioned)

pedro123456

The present Government would love to privatise the NHS and sell it to their mates. They are doing their best to run it into the ground and destroy public faith in hospitals, GP surgeries etc

They will "spin" the public's frustration into a "failing of the NHS" in order to push forward their agenda of privatising it.

SnowTiger

pedro123456 wrote: »

The present Government would love to privatise the NHS and sell it to their mates. They are doing their best to run it into the ground and destroy public faith in hospitals, GP surgeries etc

Privatisation seems to have worked well for the railways. Services are more reliable now and passenger numbers are up.

However, I guess the last thing the NHS needs is more patients.

JP08

SnowTiger wrote: »

Privatisation seems to have worked well for the railways. Services are more reliable now and passenger numbers are up.

You mean apart from the Railtrack debacle? And taking everything back from the private sector seems to have worked pretty well in London - with most passengers carried ever announced in October ... https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2015/november/london-underground-carries-more-people-than-ever-befo

SnowTiger

JP08 wrote: »

You mean apart from the Railtrack debacle? And taking everything back from the private sector seems to have worked pretty well in London - with most passengers carried ever announced in October ... https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2015/november/london-underground-carries-more-people-than-ever-befo

Oh yes, I'd forgotten about Railtrack; but that's been gone for more than ten years and I guess it was part of the learning curve.

I've seen a huge improvement in train service and quality since privatisation began. I don't live in London.