NHS - Time to privatise?

teddysmum

I can't be bothered to read this whole thread's arguments, but...


1) If the OP's father has his full mental capacity, surely he would notice that the wrong eye was being addressed (unless under GA), as the op is most frequently done under a local. Also, a friend who had the op recently, mentioned that the untreated eye is covered.


2) He was not discharged alone, if a neighbour collected him. An adult would be seen as a responsible person, especially as the gentleman has no mental incapacity.


3) Cataract ops are done on a day patient basis, with no expectation to stay overnight, so after obtaining one night as a special, their only option to keep the gentleman could be to take a bed needed for an A&E admission.


4) I would understand that fit to leave refers to being safely recovered from any sedation and not cured. (When I had deep sedation, for a procedure ,I had to sign that a named person would collect me and stay with me for 24 hours, before they would go ahead and I wasn't allowed to leave until I was steady on my feet). The hospital would assume that the person collecting was taking the aftercare responsibility, especially as the gentleman didn't have a carer for other health reasons.

Pennywise

ringo_24601 wrote: »

so why isn't the funding of the NHS rising?

Spending on the NHS trebled in a decade. Do we see it being three times better or three times more efficient now? Did the population treble over that time? It seems that a hell of a lot of that money hasn't been spent on improving patient care and outcomes.

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Pennywise wrote: »

Spending on the NHS trebled in a decade. Do we see it being three times better or three times more efficient now? Did the population treble over that time? It seems that a hell of a lot of that money hasn't been spent on improving patient care and outcomes.

Hasn't that been to fund the payment of the PFI loans taken out in the 90s by labour to pay for buildings/car-parks? The NHS might has well have gone to Wonga - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/11748960/The-PFI-hospitals-costing-NHS-2bn-every-year.html

It hasn't trebled, but yes, it has gone up by about 40%, mostly last decade, and in the last few years it has stopped rising. As a percentage of GDP it has dropped.

Medicine is a money pit, and here's a few reasons:

1. People are getting older.
2. People are living longer
3. More expensive treatments are now available to sustain people
4. The population has gone up
5. Staffing problems has increased the use of locums/bank/agency employees.

We're edging towards a terminal funding problem with the NHS. I can't remember the predicted year, I saw a presentation at work, but the NHS implodes within the next decade without massive funding increases.

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tomtontom wrote: »

Perhaps the service would be better if it wasn't being bled to death by staff abusing their generous contractual terms? Remind us how your wife played the system to get paid for three years of no work? Sick, pregnancy, sick again ...

You really should be looking closer to home if you want someone to blame.

Always one person to stalk previous threads. Tell you what I'll tell my Dad its all my wife's fault shall I?

Can I just remind you she did nothing wrong. It was all above board. Hence, contractual terms - all in contract.

But if you don't think that's right its up to you but I have no interest in the opinion of someone like you.

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teddysmum wrote: »

I can't be bothered to read this whole thread's arguments, but...


1) If the OP's father has his full mental capacity, surely he would notice that the wrong eye was being addressed (unless under GA), as the op is most frequently done under a local. Also, a friend who had the op recently, mentioned that the untreated eye is covered.


2) He was not discharged alone, if a neighbour collected him. An adult would be seen as a responsible person, especially as the gentleman has no mental incapacity.


3) Cataract ops are done on a day patient basis, with no expectation to stay overnight, so after obtaining one night as a special, their only option to keep the gentleman could be to take a bed needed for an A&E admission.


4) I would understand that fit to leave refers to being safely recovered from any sedation and not cured. (When I had deep sedation, for a procedure ,I had to sign that a named person would collect me and stay with me for 24 hours, before they would go ahead and I wasn't allowed to leave until I was steady on my feet). The hospital would assume that the person collecting was taking the aftercare responsibility, especially as the gentleman didn't have a carer for other health reasons.

1. What? I didnt say that.
4. Read the nursing code of conduct.

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Well, well an update. It gets worse. As I said, ward sister was not in the slightest bit interested today when I spoke to her. Case of wait and see it'll be ok.

Fair play to district nurse- shes phoned ward. (Although to be fair theres only a district nurse there because I kicked off on Saturday).

Anyway, hes back in hospital. Brother has taken him in. Left a bit behind after the op which is what is causing the problem. So now we have "NHS screwed up simple operation, didn't bother checking before he left, send him home blind then refused to provide any help". Could be a newspaper headline couldnt it?

Good news is he's on the emergency list for later to sort it out and staying overnight. At least, its getting sorted and I'm sure there will no repeat of sending home when its not appropriate.

Great advert for our modern NHS.

DomRavioli

[quote=[Deleted User];69628153]Well, well an update. It gets worse. As I said, ward sister was not in the slightest bit interested today when I spoke to her. Case of wait and see it'll be ok.

Fair play to district nurse- shes phoned ward. (Although to be fair theres only a district nurse there because I kicked off on Saturday).

Anyway, hes back in hospital. Brother has taken him in. Left a bit behind after the op which is what is causing the problem. So now we have "NHS screwed up simple operation, didn't bother checking before he left, send him home blind then refused to provide any help". Could be a newspaper headline couldnt it?

Good news is he's on the emergency list for later to sort it out and staying overnight. At least, its getting sorted and I'm sure there will no repeat of sending home when its not appropriate.

Great advert for our modern NHS.[/QUOTE]

You seem to be blowing this out of all proportion.

Complications happen in surgery (regardless of the type, nature, patient etc, there are risks with every procedure, and whilst not nice, they are not unforeseen); your father was let home with a responsible adult (his neighbour), who the nurses trusted to be able to check on him periodically (as they would do with anyone who came to collect a named patient).

No headlines, no incompetence (you could have called the ward on the day to see when he was being discharged, arranged care prior to discharge, arranged to collect him and ask any relevant questions at the time - all of which you failed to do).

You just seem like you want to pick a fight with someone - perhaps get the material facts before berating thousands of hard working professionals.

pollypenny

The sooner health care and social care are linked the better, as cases like this illustrate.

However, I would agree that there are some hard-hearted shrews who cannot wait to boot people out, caring nothing for their after-care.

I can also see the problems of under-staffing and pressure on beds.

mumps

[quote=[Deleted User];69625733]Nope the country owes me and all of its citizens a health service that is fit for purpose.[/QUOTE]

And we citizens need to be prepared to pay enough for it. They can't run it on fresh air.

Gigervamp

philatio wrote: »

Carousel ??

Pollycat wrote: »

Ah, not seen Logan's Run?

In that film, when people reach their 30th birthday, they go to Carousel where they die. It keeps the population level sustainable.