NHS - Time to privatise?

Stevie_Palimo

Pollycat wrote: »

But didn't you say it was a child's job to enable a parent to live independently if that's what he wanted......?

Yep and can be via doing it hands on or arranging for additional care, Again more pedantic points being posted here with a view to try to derail my own view.

Hermione_Granger

Pollycat wrote: »

Hermione Grainger;
In your post #13, you've managed to quote a post by pollypenny but actually, that quote was by Stevie Palimo.

How did you manage to do that?

I was looking for the post to quote it but couldn't find it in any of pollypenny's posts.

I've absolutely no idea how that happened but thanks for pointing it out.
I've amended the post in question so that it now makes sense.

George_Michael

Stevie_Palimo wrote: »

thereafter so this is at costs where as the UK healthcare is VERY CLEARLY FOC.

And from that extremely naive comment, I assume that you also think that, education,policing, the fire service and the upkeep of the road system in the UK is also provided FOC by the goverment.
After all, when was the last time you had to pay to use the roads or had to pay the fire brigade before they would put a fire out?

Pollycat

Stevie_Palimo wrote: »

Yep and can be via doing it hands on or arranging for additional care, Again more pedantic points being posted here with a view to try to derail my own view.

Additional care?
And where would that 'additional care' be provided?
In the parent's home?
In the post below you say:

Stevie_Palimo wrote: »

This is utter madness and if you are unhappy address the real issue that your parent is needing different living arrangements and as adamant as they maybe to stay at home you need to call time on this if they struggle with day to day things.

so you are contradicting yourself by saying you need to call time on the parent staying at home.

I think you're getting yourself in a bit of a twist here, Stevie.
The points people are making are not pedantic, they are just pointing out that some of the things you've posted are wrong and some are contradictory.
That's not trying to derail your view.

p00hsticks

Keep_pedalling wrote: »

In the OPs case there would be no discharge planning because his father was never admitted as an in patient, and really this should have been sorted before he went for his opperation.

The OP had another long thread on arranging for his father to stay in overnight following the operation and, although I'm struggling to tie up the exact timeline from the OPs numerous posts, it woudl appear that this did indeed happen
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5258951

In the OP's shoes, what I would be more concerned about than the discharge arrangements is the seeming imeffectiveness of the cararact operation itself.

When my Mother in Law had the operation the improvement of her sight in the eye operated on was immediate. Yet the OPs father appears to be still blind even after an overnight stay ?

ThumbRemote

Stevie_Palimo wrote: »

You know exactly what I mean so no need to a be a pedantic so and so is there. As I say many a time on here people all want want, want and want it is stupid and nobody wants to stand on there own two feet.

Lets make this rather simple so that you may understand :-

OAP wants to stay at home and has kids therefore it is down to them to assist him/her in every day living to make it smooth this can be by asking for outside help and or doing it themselves.

So on the one hand you're complaining that nobody wants to stand on their own two feet, and on the other you're arguing that it's the responsibility of the kids to assist, which by definition prevents them standing on their own two feet.

Given that the OP did not know his father was being sent home from the hospital, what exactly was he supposed to have done in this case?

Stevie_Palimo wrote: »

Yep and can be via doing it hands on or arranging for additional care, Again more pedantic points being posted here with a view to try to derail my own view.

Nobody needs to derail your view. You're doing a good job of that on your own.

JP08

Hermione_Granger wrote: »

"FOC" & "without any costs"
Really? The NHS may well have no patient charges at the point of delivery but on average, every adult in the UK who pays tax and NI contributes around £2000 per year so to say that it's a free service is totally incorrect.

@ OP And therein lies the answer to your question. £2000 a year. £165 a month, with a little rounding. If it were privatised would you get a better service (bearing in mind you're talking lifetime cover - not low risk because you're youngish and fittish and look after for yourself etc) for that money?

If yes, then yes it should, if no, then probably not.

For what it is worth, I personally reckon you'd get a pretty crap service for that money (or should I say £150 - there's got to be a profit for private). I'm basing that on it costing me £25 a month for my damn teeth alone going private (Denplan).

My older parent is 80 - with a gammy knee, sight in only one eye, regular kidney stones, ongoing care for prostate cancer halted a decade ago, and now osteoporosis probably runs at more than £165 a month on the medication and regular testing alone. What a private health scheme would cost him is anybodies guess !

Hermione_Granger

JP08 wrote: »

@ OP And therein lies the answer to your question. £2000 a year. £165 a month, with a little rounding. If it were privatised would you get a better service (bearing in mind you're talking lifetime cover - not low risk because you're youngish and fittish and look after for yourself etc) for that money?

If the NHS was ever privatised it would start getting run as a money making concern so why do you think that there would be a fixed price for all irrespective of age and previous medical history?

philatio

The main problem affecting the NHS is not immigrants as the Tories and UKIP would like you to believe... it's old people.

The population is getting older and living longer. The NHS has always been seen as a health service AND a social care service. The OP's post is a prime example. Elderly person has day operation, but then unlike a younger person, needs/expects a week in a hospital bed too.
Until this is addressed, the situation is never going to get better.

Stevie_Palimo

My point was and still is but you lot seem to fail to comprehend it, This is not down to anyone other than the OP.


I'm out of this thread as I cannot be bothered to argue the case that was very clear yet you all seem to chop and change your minds as to the ultimate point he made about complaining due to his lack of sorting this out properly in the first place, Nobodies fault but the OP'S here.