NHS - Time to privatise?

Hermione_Granger

Stevie_Palimo wrote: »

My point was and still is but you lot seem to fail to comprehend it, This is not down to anyone other than the OP.

Maybe "us lot" totally comprehend your point but simply disagree with it.

Pollycat

philatio wrote: »

The main problem affecting the NHS is not immigrants as the Tories and UKIP would like you to believe... it's old people.

The population is getting older and living longer. The NHS has always been seen as a health service AND a social care service. The OP's post is a prime example. Elderly person has day operation, but then unlike a younger person, needs/expects a week in a hospital bed too.
Until this is addressed, the situation is never going to get better.

And what is your suggestion to address this situation?

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Stevie_Palimo wrote: »

I am saying it is stretched to breaking point and you are moaning not me about a lack of care. What do you really have to complain about.


Op to NHS complaints Dept :- I would like to complain to you as you closed a ward at weekends due to being very short of staff and funds at present and feel very hard done by as I could not arrange the care of my parent due to this shambles of a system you have in place.


This is utter madness and if you are unhappy address the real issue that your parent is needing different living arrangements and as adamant as they maybe to stay at home you need to call time on this if they struggle with day to day things.

Not complaining about the ward closing. Im complaining that not care was taken with his discharge. Other arrangements could have been put in place.

Take a look at the nursing code of conduct one day and you will see what I mean.

Towser

Yes privatise it.

I had two children - no epidural both times - unbelievable. If it was private I would have had a choice. I only know that now. The one time when you know you are going to be in a lot of pain. Surely they could have administered pain relief but no, it costs over £200 per injection so they didn't. That's why!

Stingey NHS needs to be privatised for patients welfare and mental health.

They said no because I didn't have a medical need. Well it stopped me having another. The population can grow due to immigration now.

The NHS is getting away with doing the bare minimum when I compare how my dog is treated at the vet and they way I have been treated.

When I broke my ankle and had pins put in it again no pain relief the day after I had the operation.

With all the bad news in the news I am sure alot of it has been covered those stories just scratch the surface of what is going on.

My FIL is terrified of going to hospital incase he is mistreated due to the experiences he has had.

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Keep_pedalling wrote: »

Having felt with the NHS / SS and several elderly relatives over the last decade I have seen varying results although mainly positive. The one recommendation I would give to anyone is make sure you get involved in any meeting involving care plans and discharge planning. This is not only because the elderly person may be talked into something against their interests, but because the elderly person can also just tell the person what they think they want to hear or even a load of porkies just to make sure they are sent home.

In the OPs case there would be no discharge planning because his father was never admitted as an in patient, and really this should have been sorted before he went for his opperation. His GP should have been aware of the situation, but again we don't know what if any conversations were had between the GP and father before hand. For a lot of old people a Friday for this type of operation would be ideal because family members are better able to help out at a weekend than during the week

I now attend all GP appointments with my mum unless it's a call out, and I speak to the GP in advance of any hospital out patients appointments. For the elderly who are truly on their own and are unable to comprehend what their options are or to articicute their views and concerns then it is truly a lottery of what happens to them.

He was admitted. It was decided in advance that he should stay for at least one night due to his needs.

It was ONE nurse who decided on friday he could go home.

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Towser wrote: »

Yes privatise it.

I had two children - no epidural both times - unbelievable. If it was private I would have had a choice. I only know that now. The one time when you know you are going to be in a lot of pain. Surely they could have administered pain relief but no, it costs over £200 per injection so they didn't. That's why!

Stingey NHS needs to be privatised for patients welfare and mental health.

They said no because I didn't have a medical need. Well it stopped me having another. The population can grow due to immigration now.

The NHS is getting away with doing the bare minimum when I compare how my dog is treated at the vet and they way I have been treated.

When I broke my ankle and had pins put in it again no pain relief the day after I had the operation.

Sadly, people expect the NHS to be an extension of the social security system too. People should stay in hospital because they medically need to; not because of lack of care at home. Family or social services should be organising that. We're entering 'granny drop' season in A&E, where plenty of families put their elderly relatives into NHS wards rather than help look after them over the winter.

With all the bad news in the news I am sure alot of it has been covered those stories just scratch the surface of what is going on.

My FIL is terrified of going to hospital incase he is mistreated due to the experiences he has had.

In the USA, the cost of childbirth is roughly $9,775.. fancy paying that? I'm amazed you were not offered pain relief - in fact, having witnessed my wife be offered (and given) pain relief during both of her births, i'm very surprised at what happened to you.

You know you can ask for stuff, right? If you're planning to give birth, you make a birthing plan and tell the staff. The NHS treated my wife really well both times she gave birth.

If you really want to give birth privately, there are plenty of places you can do that. You can even get private treatment inside an NHS trust if you find the right hospital.

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ringo_24601 wrote: »

In the USA, the cost of childbirth is roughly $9,775.. fancy paying that? I'm amazed you were not offered pain relief - in fact, having witnessed my wife be offered (and given) pain relief during both of her births, i'm very surprised at what happened to you.

You know you can ask for stuff, right? If you're planning to give birth, you make a birthing plan and tell the staff. The NHS treated my wife really well both times she gave birth.

If you really want to give birth privately, there are plenty of places you can do that. You can even get private treatment inside an NHS trust if you find the right hospital.

But thats just it is so variable.

OK I'd like to think MOST people get great service from the NHS and MOST nurses and doctors are brilliant.

But I think as experiences prove, there are a LOT who dont give a monkeys butt about their patients.

missbiggles1

[quote=[Deleted User];69625452]I did. I spoke to ward beforehand and they assured me he would be kept until he was fit to go home.

Whoever was working that day obviously could not be bothered.[/QUOTE]

But why didn't you take him in and stay with him until he'd had his op before bringing him back with you or staying with him?

My late husband, who was severely disabled, had a cataract done earlier this year and I wouldn't have dreamed of just letting him get on with it alone and waiting for the hospital to call - suppose there'd been complications or he'd been upset during the procedure?

You can't expect any medical service, whether NHS or private, to take over the role of close family.

missbiggles1

p00hsticks wrote: »

The OP had another long thread on arranging for his father to stay in overnight following the operation and, although I'm struggling to tie up the exact timeline from the OPs numerous posts, it woudl appear that this did indeed happen
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5258951

In the OP's shoes, what I would be more concerned about than the discharge arrangements is the seeming imeffectiveness of the cararact operation itself.

When my Mother in Law had the operation the improvement of her sight in the eye operated on was immediate. Yet the OPs father appears to be still blind even after an overnight stay ?

As was discussed thoroughly on an earlier thread about cataract operations, many hospitals don't even allow you to have your eye uncovered for at least 24 hours later and it's quite normal to be blurry for a few days. It's very misleading to state that it's normal to have an improvement in vision immediately after the operation.

Towser

Yes privatise it.

The NHS is getting away with doing the bare minimum when I compare how my dog is treated at the vet and they way I have been treated.
The American system is very much like the dog's and the vet. If we had the American system I would have had the choice. I did not here, despite it being in the birth plan and asking for it several times, because it costs money they said no.