NHS - Time to privatise?

Stevie_Palimo

[quote=[Deleted User];69625436]Be grateful for a 3rd rate health service? Attitude like yours mean it will never change. Its crap but its free so you're not allowed to complain. Bend over and take it.

Yes you can blame frontline staff. They are professionals who have a duty. The profession does not need nurses like this.

As I said to the sister of the ward this morning, fine I'm not arguing with you, but we'll see what the NMC says about it. If your nurse can justify his/her actions then theres nothing to worry about is there? If they take a dim view then there may be consequences.[/QUOTE]



You really are missing point as 3rd rate service may apply to hospital based in India or another Country where you have to pay for the service, You get NHS treatment FOC still and again I will make the point that it is your father therefore if he wishes to stay independent it is your job as his child to assist him and make life easier, It is not down to the NHS to provide this and they operated on him without any costs to you or him so why bother moaning here ?


Seriously you need to realise there are far more important things in life than throwing a hissy fit as you did not like what was done here, If the ward was closed what do you expect them to do ? - I guess they should have put him into a private suite with the expenses covered by the tax payer.

Hermione_Granger

Stevie_Palimo wrote: »

, You get NHS treatment FOC still and again I will make the point that it is your father therefore if he wishes to stay independent it is your job as his child to assist him and make life easier, It is not down to the NHS to provide this and they operated on him without any costs to you or him so why bother moaning here ?

"FOC" & "without any costs"
Really? The NHS may well have no paitent charges at the point of delivery but on average, every adult in the UK who pays tax and NI contributes around £2000 per year so to say that it's a free service is totally incorrect.

pollypenny

You really did not know that the ward closed at weekends, Paul?

Am I right in thinking that your wife is a nurse? If so, surely she would realise that opthalmic wards only deal with elective cases and close at weekends.

Apologies if I've dreamt that about your wife.

However, I do have great sympathy with you over the lack of planning for the discharge of elderly patients, having experienced problems with my father and my aunt. An elderly friend from U3A was discharged, by ambulance in the middle of the night, to her little bungalow.

[Deleted User]

Stevie_Palimo wrote: »

You really are missing point as 3rd rate service may apply to hospital based in India or another Country where you have to pay for the service, You get NHS treatment FOC still and again I will make the point that it is your father therefore if he wishes to stay independent it is your job as his child to assist him and make life easier, It is not down to the NHS to provide this and they operated on him without any costs to you or him so why bother moaning here ?


Seriously you need to realise there are far more important things in life than throwing a hissy fit as you did not like what was done here, If the ward was closed what do you expect them to do ? - I guess they should have put him into a private suite with the expenses covered by the tax payer.

Again, because of people like you it won't ever get better....

I'm going to hell for suggesting that the good ole NHS is poor.

Stevie_Palimo

Hermione_Granger wrote: »

"FOC" & "without any costs"
Really? The NHS may well have no paitent charges at the point of delivery but on average, every adult in the UK who pays tax and NI contributes around £2000 per year so to say that it's a free service is totally incorrect.

I doubt an 80 year old pays taxes or NI tbh, Look at other Countries that tax you ie America and you pay your tax & healthcare thereafter so this is at costs where as the UK healthcare is VERY CLEARLY FOC.

Stevie_Palimo

[quote=[Deleted User];69625630]Again, because of people like you it won't ever get better....

I'm going to hell for suggesting that the good ole NHS is poor.[/QUOTE]



Not really Paul it is just that I understand the underlying issues going on here where as you seem to be very blinkered and believe the world owes you.

[Deleted User]

pollypenny wrote: »

You really did not know that the ward closed at weekends, Paul?

Am I right in thinking that your wife is a nurse? If so, surely she would realise that opthalmic wards only deal with elective cases and close at weekends.

Apologies if I've dreamt that about your wife.

However, I do have great sympathy with you over the lack of planning for the discharge of elderly patients, having experienced problems with my father and my aunt. An elderly friend from U3A was discharged, by ambulance in the middle of the night, to her little bungalow.

Nope. The one in the trust that my wife works for is open at weekends. (Also wife is not hospital based).

Regardless, there should be some contingency surely if patients are not fit to go home? Another ward?

I appreciate the NHS is not there as a hotel but theres a line surely. And I think this time the nurse who discharged has knowingly put him into an unsafe position.

Would he/she have put her own father/mother in the same position. Probably not. As such, I'd argue that the profession is better off with one less nurse than someone like this.

Pennywise

The OP has my sympathy. My Mum was discharged on a Friday on a bank holiday weekend after a hip op, and was also suffering from diabetes and cancer. Her blood sugars were all over the place and she was drifting in and our of consciousness. Despite all the promises of McMillan cancer nurses, a so-called 24 hour GP cover service, we couldn't get any help or advice at all throughout the weekend. The McMillan nurses phone numbers just went to answerphone with promises to call back "as soon as they can", which turned out to be the following Wednesday. The out of hours GP service sent a foreign GP who could barely speak English and was about as much us as a chocolate fireguard. The contact phone number given for the ward was useless as, yes, it was closed at weekends! We eventually muddled through to Tuesday when we managed to get an emergency GP appointment and were dumstruck to find that one of the drugs they'd given her after the hip op had dangerous inter-action with her existing medication. So, not only did the hospital not bother to check the medication they were giving her, we were let down by GPs who can't be bothered to provide weekend cover and so-called McMillan "angels" who likewise clearly don't provide out of hours cover. Hopeless!

[Deleted User]

Stevie_Palimo wrote: »

I doubt an 80 year old pays taxes or NI tbh, Look at other Countries that tax you ie America and you pay your tax & healthcare thereafter so this is at costs where as the UK healthcare is VERY CLEARLY FOC.

Umm so no 80 has ever paid tax NI in the past then so doesnt deserve health care now?

FOC. You do know the money has come from somewhere though dont you?

[Deleted User]

Stevie_Palimo wrote: »

Not really Paul it is just that I understand the underlying issues going on here where as you seem to be very blinkered and believe the world owes you.

Nope the country owes me and all of its citizens a health service that is fit for purpose.