PCN with wrong station name

robonn

Hi guys, so I'm coming up to my recommended 21 day deadline to appeal. No NTK received as yet. So I'm planning to appeal as per all the great advice on @FuzyDuck's fantastically detailed post re Dorking station / Vinci / Meteor (now known as Indigo, apparently).

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Should I reference the Cheam / Dorking mix-up at this stage?

Fruitcake

robonn wrote: »

Hi guys, so I'm coming up to my recommended 21 day deadline to appeal. No NTK received as yet. So I'm planning to appeal as per all the great advice on @FuzyDuck's fantastically detailed post re Dorking station / Vinci / Meteor (now known as Indigo, apparently).

hXXp://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5067924

Should I reference the Cheam / Dorking mix-up at this stage?

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5067924


Separate appeals for each PCN.


Don't mention or appeal the one with the wrong station name. It could be a fishing exercise hoping you will contact them, saving them 2.50 gbp and hoping you reveal who was driving.
If however it is a mistake and you end up with a windscreen ticket for one station and an NTK for another, but with the same PCN number they will have shot themselves in the foot.
If the wrong station is on both and you weren't there, you will have another stick to beat them with.

Fruitcake

robonn wrote: »

Right, no mention of bylaws.
Ticket is from 4th Nov.
And nope, no reply as yet.

As for the carpark regulations, am too new to post links to pics, apparently, so please can you visit the following and repost?

i63.tinypic dotcom /2vmt1xc.jpg

Thanks!

http://i63.tinypic.com/2vmt1xc.jpg

peter_the_piper

Just an aside, how are you supposed to read those terms and conditions?

Umkomaas

peter_the_piper wrote: »

Just an aside, how are you supposed to read those terms and conditions?

Wow, how bad are they? I wonder what our learned Law Lords would have made of them?

Well, signage can be a major appeal point to POPLA.

Castle

Umkomaas wrote: »

Wow, how bad are they? I wonder what our learned Law Lords would have made of them?

Well, signage can be a major appeal point to POPLA.

Especially the wording:-"Failure to display a valid ticket may result in you receiving a Parking Charge Notice"

LurkeyJefferson

If there are no byelaws then POFA 2012 applies and they cannot recover against you unless you admit to driving because they have failed to 'specify the relevant land' on your ticket as required.

robonn

Hi guys, thanks for your input. As I was coming up to the deadline, I ended up appealing the 'Cheam' PCN before I'd read Fruitcake's message (#13). But I used the approved template, didn't mention the station mix-up and certainly didn't refer to who was or wasn't driving.

So I guess I sit tight and wait for their adjudication and take it from there.

Still no NTK - although not sure when I'm supposed to expect that?

robonn

Still nothing on the appeal, bar the automated acknowledgement. So have made a note to not think about this until their 35 days expires.

I should expect the NTK in that time, I guess? At which point, as per Fruitcake's post - https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5356740 - I can see what Station it has on it and take it from there. Fingers crossed. Thanks all.

robonn

A rather joyous update, that will hopefully raise a festive smile... (if my smugness doesn't turn your stomach).

Got my appeal response, telling me it had failed and the PCN fine was being upheld. They ran through the usual stuff about me not having a leg to stand on given the rules etc etc.

Except that while the ticket on the car and their own correspondence says Cheam, the photos they supply as evidence clearly show Dorking car park. And if that wasn't amusing enough, they've helpfully included a photo of the car park's own T&C's - which, of course, saying 'Dorking' in big letters.

So unless anyone has any advice to the contrary, I presume my next move is simply to politely ask why they are citing pictures of a car in one place being evidence of a contravention of the rules in another?