Child Support Agency Help!

Jagraf

FBaby wrote: »

Exactly there are children who don't get anything from their father (that would include my children!), so why force a man to become a father when they didn't want to before it was even born? Mothers have the state to help them financially if they need to, I don't consider a man who didn't want a foetus becoming a baby a father. He never was.

Alternatively, if a man does want to become a father but the woman doesn't, why shouldn't she be forced to carry the baby for 9 months, give it over to the father, and then be told she has to pay child maintenance for the next 20 years. That would be for the benefit of the child too.

Whichever we put it, when it comes to parenthood, there is no such thing as equality of the sexes.

I can't see a fairer way for the child than both parents supporting. Given that a mother is the only person who can carry a child, the decision has to be hers (I can't see any alternative to this, practically speaking). Once the child is born it is then up to both parents to contribute. Yep there may be a justifiable argument that mums tend to become PWC unfairly, but a mum still has to pay for a child if the child lives with the dad.

In your opinion then, would you say that if a dad didn't want the child and didn't help support, that the child shouldn't know his/her father and he should relinquish all rights to see that child?

Guest101

cw212010 wrote: »

Hi all,

Apologies for not getting back on here, left my laptop in work last night.

To just skim over things quickly, the individual is someone with whom I met nearly 10 years ago. Nothing happened other than fooling around, no actual intercourse.

From what I was able to research at the time, I was one of several able suitors. My name was literally pulled out the hat.

As an example, My name was given as John Smith, when intact my name is John Johnson-Smith. She was close, however the CSA obviously narrowed it down via location, age etc and pinned the tail on me.

Again, right or wrong the CSA or whatever they are called now left me a voicemail, having had my number from the previous cases. They informed me of the new procedures which, and I stand to be corrected, the named individual is liable to pay unless they can prove otherwise. If I try to prove otherwise, she will close the claim and start a fresh one in a few months.

I literally cannot prove anything as I don't get afforded the chance.

I will write to the CSA and make them aware that it is the girl who cried wolf and see what they do.

Thank you all for your advice.

I would write along these lines ( as the CMS should've said they collect automatically on uncontested claims - it wasn't wrong but they omitted q useful bit of info):

Dear (names CMS person)

I write in relation to ref number <. >

I totally dispute the claim that I am the biological father of this child, or that I have parental responsibility for this child in any standing.

Despite it being impossible that I am the father - as myself and X X never engaged in a sexual relationship, I now find myself in the position of proving this.

I require a paternity test to be conducted as soon as possible, and can arrange to attend my GP practice, or a nominated practice local to myself.

The test will no doubt show as a negative genetic match.

X X has in the past made similar claims and at the last minute failed to attend to provide a sample. Your records will show this.

I will require details for the applicant as I intend to get an injunction against X X, as well as seeking civil remedy for time spent contesting these unsubstantiated claims.

Please update your records to reflect that I dispute this claim.

Kind regards


- only write this if you are certain the child is not yours.

DUTR

cw212010 wrote: »

Hi all,

Apologies for not getting back on here, left my laptop in work last night.

To just skim over things quickly, the individual is someone with whom I met nearly 10 years ago. Nothing happened other than fooling around, no actual intercourse.

From what I was able to research at the time, I was one of several able suitors. My name was literally pulled out the hat.

As an example, My name was given as John Smith, when intact my name is John Johnson-Smith. She was close, however the CSA obviously narrowed it down via location, age etc and pinned the tail on me.

Again, right or wrong the CSA or whatever they are called now left me a voicemail, having had my number from the previous cases. They informed me of the new procedures which, and I stand to be corrected, the named individual is liable to pay unless they can prove otherwise. If I try to prove otherwise, she will close the claim and start a fresh one in a few months.

I literally cannot prove anything as I don't get afforded the chance.

I will write to the CSA and make them aware that it is the girl who cried wolf and see what they do.

Thank you all for your advice.

The CSA is no more, all new cases are via VMS and the PWC will put up £20 to open a case (a lot of money for those that don't already have it).
You get an MEF and you complete the form and return it, you tick the box that asks if you have doubts about being the father. That sets the ball rolling for a DNA test, it is explained that you can pay up front or have the CMS pay for it, if you are found not to be the father and you have paid up front you will get a refund, if you are the father you can have the amount added to the liability. There is no room for he said she said, the form and process cover all eventualities.

You could always apply to the next series of the JK show.

Jagraf wrote: »

Why is she doing it? I don't see what she's trying to achieve

If only the above was true....

RAS

There was an interesting case on the Child Support forum a couple of years ago.

A man had just been advised that he was the father of a 12 year old child about whom he know nothing. He had a one night stand at the relevant time but the mother never contacted him.

It turned out that he was the fourth man she had suggested as the father, one of whom had paid child support for several years before discovering that he was not the biological father.

OP - she may remember you but not recall exactly what happened so think it is a possibility.

Mojisola

RAS wrote: »

OP - she may remember you but not recall exactly what happened so think it is a possibility.

If she really thought he was the father, wouldn't she have agreed to a dna test the first time it was requested?

Guest101

I think it's simple.


She's not sure who the dad is, but trying to find the possible people she saw the OP (by the sounds of it) is in a reasonable financial position (facebook, linkedin, whatever) and thought she'd chance it.


She might already be collecting undeclared from the real father too.

DUTR

Mojisola wrote: »

If she really thought he was the father, wouldn't she have agreed to a dna test the first time it was requested?

For some it causes a lot of stress, it was months before my 3rd party agreed to test dates.

Mojisola

DUTR wrote: »

For some it causes a lot of stress, it was months before my 3rd party agreed to test dates.

The OP has said that she has tried to get CM from him on multiple occasions. If she wasn't willing to allow a dna test the first time he asked for one, why would she keep trying to get him to pay - she would have known that he wouldn't agree without a test being done.