Government spying

kwikbreaks

dannyrst wrote: »

Are tracking cookies not far more intrusive than anything the ISP's will introduce?.

blocking tracking cookies is trivially easy. Regardless of that they are still irrelevant to this thread. They were subject to some other half-arsed legislation which is why you see those stupid banners regarding them on any EU website that complies with that law.

RumRat

kwikbreaks wrote: »

blocking tracking cookies is trivially easy. Regardless of that they are still irrelevant to this thread. They were subject to some other half-arsed legislation which is why you see those stupid banners regarding them on any EU website that complies with that law.

Not if you use Firefox and the 'I don't care about cookies' add-on....;)

A._Badger

I'm not particularly concerned by the thought of GCHQ being able to access my data. I am, however, very concerned by the thought of local councils having increased access to people's private information. I can see absolutely no justification for that.

kwikbreaks

RumRat wrote: »

Not if you use Firefox and the 'I don't care about cookies' add-on....;)

Checked and it's on chrome too
The fact that this exists goes to prove my point that the regulations are bonkers and HMG have no clue whatsoever about IT.

GabbaGabbaHey

kwikbreaks wrote: »

My gripe about this is that it is going to cost the ISPs plenty of money (guess who'll be paying that) and most of the information they collect is going to be pretty useless to "the man" if "the suspect" does decide to take steps to make tacking harder which you can be sure any potential criminal/terrorist/kiddie fiddler will after all the publicity this is attracting.

My other gripe would be that the ISPs have shown themselves to be manifestly incapable of securing such information. The thought that a 15 year old kid can get sensitive data from TalkTalk (an organisation that had previously suffered more than one breach, and should by now have been well secured) doesn't exactly breed confidence.

As you say, the really bad guys are already well ahead of the game in covering their tracks. But it will be the general not-very-techie (wo)man in the street who will be most at risk of having their personal data disclosed.

Fightsback

RumRat wrote: »

I suggest people read the actual bill rather than relying on headline sound bites to determine that they are happy (or not) with it.

RIPA

and

Tokubetsu Kōtō Keisatsu

bluesnake

It is more than ip addresses, it is about metadata. If I uninvited walk into your house every morning because i could, and start reading your mail, many people would very quickly get upset. This is he same thing, but far worse.

Even if you hide your IP you can be traced, often just through browsing habits and timing of things. Then there is Java and flash to unmask you too. You have to change your browsing habits for any chance of staying hidden.

For example most people and have set routine, swipe your Oyster out (Londoners know what I mean), turn PC on at a specific time, browse same sites, often in a select order. Look at friends facebook etc. and even if today spy services are uncertain who you are, tomorrow they may find you, then link your details to past browsing habits.

Just because you use a vpn/tor and think are anon, the second you check your email you are unmasked, or check service status of elecricity or mobile, banking, ebay, etc, your previous browsing history can now be attributed to you - we know who you are

Ok, nothing to fear because your are a saint but according to Six degrees of separation theory, you are not that far from being the loftiest saint to lowliest sinner - 6 or less degrees.

"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him."
Cardinal Richelieu

RumRat

Fightsback wrote: »

RIPA

and

Tokubetsu Kōtō Keisatsu

Yes that and many other parallels......It's unbelievable that supposedly intelligent, educated people, could actually think that they have nothing to hide so it's all OK.
I doubt any of them have actually read the bill or understand the what having a judge issue warrants actually means. The way it's been worded will ensure that almost all warrants asked for will be granted....
We will be on a par with The old East Germany, Russia and China in the surveillance stakes. I guess that's OK, if you have nothing to hide (for now)

Strider590

Two possibilities:

A) They haven't got a clue and do not realise that criminals, terrorists and the like will know how to avoid being monitored.

They know full well and they're actually doing this for other reasons.

All bought about by the "I don't care, i've got nothing to hide" idiots.

They've already started filtering the internet, using the filters they claimed would tackle !!!!!philia and other illegal activity.

I'm practically always using a VPN these days anyway, because I can get faster download speeds by connecting to UK servers via Sweden (almost 10x faster).
Also don't I want to do anything illegal, but censorship of the internet is WRONG.

aliEnRIK

My take on this is simple. The Tories have been voted into power and just about every promise on meaningful matters has been broken. The government is corrupt from top to bottom and is run entirely on greed and control. I dont trust 'anything' they do at all (And have plenty of evidence for reasons why that is). They'll see one IP address on my logs (If people are willing to allow this to happen)