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  • aliEnRIK
    aliEnRIK Posts: 17,741 Forumite
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    edited 30 October 2015 at 4:01PM
    Andy :
    At least youre being clear now.
    Thank you.
    So going off the above, IF someone was to use APKs from unknown sources, would they be safer using an AV? (Please don't repeat about only using them from PLAY, its a simple enough question)
    :idea:
  • AndyPix
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    aliEnRIK wrote: »
    Andy :
    At least youre being clear now.
    Thank you.
    So going off the above, IF someone was to use APKs from unknown sources, would they be safer using an AV? (Please don't repeat about only using them from PLAY, its a simple enough question)

    Yes they would - because it would advise them to untick the box to allow install from unknown sources.

    And even if they installed a rogue APK, the AV could do diddly squat to stop any of its malicious actions, but it could advise you to remove it.

    Look mate - I fully understand your confusion - These "AV" packages are designed to look and feel like the ones we all know, love and rely on on our desktop PC's ..

    But the similarity ends there mate, it is a massive massive con by the AV companies, and people believe in it all because we have been conditioned to accept and respond to the familiar looks and words that these AV solutions provide.

    They are praying on peoples lack of knowledge.

    Don't be pray !!
  • aliEnRIK
    aliEnRIK Posts: 17,741 Forumite
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    AndyPix wrote: »
    Yes they would - because it would advise them to untick the box to allow install from unknown sources.

    And even if they installed a rogue APK, the AV could do diddly squat to stop any of its malicious actions, but it could advise you to remove it.

    Look mate - I fully understand your confusion - These "AV" packages are designed to look and feel like the ones we all know, love and rely on on our desktop PC's ..

    But the similarity ends there mate, it is a massive massive con by the AV companies, and people believe in it all because we have been conditioned to accept and respond to the familiar looks and words that these AV solutions provide.

    They are praying on peoples lack of knowledge.

    Don't be pray !!

    I am genuinely not confused. The android malware I had to remove was the first I have had to deal with.
    I am simply trying to get to the bottom of what you say is true, purely because in my own tests I suspect a little more is going on.

    Thank you for being more civil

    facts I have learned:
    I have found that an av DOES warn its users. Perhaps that is as far as it can go.
    the PLAY store does get regular malware infections
    Some of these malware files have managed to root the devices.
    Some of these malware files are not as easy to remove as google makes out.
    Most AVs don't use much in the way of resources (But there is a LOT more to many of them than just malware warnings)

    Another question if I may then andy :
    You state that it only looks at the apk filename (So lets say rik.apk)
    If I put the malware infected rik.apk on my android device, AVAST throws up a warning.
    If I was to then install it but DELETE the original APK (The ONLY thing it looks for) you then believe I would get no further warnings about the installed malware (The original APK after all would no longer exist, there would be NO .apk file)
    :idea:
  • AndyPix
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    Is Google Play a hot bed of malware?

    The idea that malware-infected apps are proliferating in Google Play is popular, but is there any statistical evidence to back it? At NetEvents Americas back in 2012 a BT (British Telecom), security expert Jill Knesek suggested that up to a third of Android applications carried some form of malware (based on a test of 1,000 apps) and that most devices are compromised. It was widely reported, but not true. ZDNet questioned BT on the subject and it backpedaled, saying that it no longer wishes to talk about the subject. The claims have yet to be supported by any released report.
    So is all this talk really just scaremongering designed to panic you into installing antivirus software? Chris DiBona, Open Source Programs Manager at Google, certainly thought so when he released an update tackling the topic on his Google+ account back in November, 2011. In it, he argued that: “Yes, virus companies are playing on your fears to try to sell you bs protection software for Android, RIM and iOS. They are charlatans and scammers. IF you work for a company selling virus protection for Android, RIM or iOS, you should be ashamed of yourself.”


    Read more: http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/do-you-need-antivirus-on-android/#ixzz3q46jUyWu
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  • aliEnRIK
    aliEnRIK Posts: 17,741 Forumite
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    Could you please take a look at my question on post #64 please Andy
    :idea:
  • AndyPix
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    aliEnRIK wrote: »
    Another question if I may then andy :
    You state that it only looks at the apk filename (So lets say rik.apk)
    If I put the malware infected rik.apk on my android device, AVAST throws up a warning.
    If I was to then install it but DELETE the original APK (The ONLY thing it looks for) you then believe I would get no further warnings about the installed malware (The original APK after all would no longer exist, there would be NO .apk file)

    I was dumbing it down to explain the concept.

    I will look at a number of things and compare them to a list of known malware traits.
    File size, checksum, name etc

    Im tired of explaining myself again and again and to be frank im not bothered if you believe me or not. Do your own research, draw your own conclusions.

    If you wanted advice on a roof, you would ask a roofer.
    If you wanted advice on your car, you would ask a mechanic.

    I am an android developer, and I have created malware .. I know this subject inside out and I have explained to you exactly how it is. You choose to doubt me and that's fine mate - all I ask is please don't advise others on a subject that you really don't understand :)
  • aliEnRIK
    aliEnRIK Posts: 17,741 Forumite
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    AndyPix wrote: »
    I was dumbing it down to explain the concept.

    That is possibly where you went wrong from the offset
    :idea:
  • aliEnRIK
    aliEnRIK Posts: 17,741 Forumite
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    AndyPix wrote: »

    I am an android developer, and I have created malware .

    Says a lot about a person that
    :idea:
  • aliEnRIK
    aliEnRIK Posts: 17,741 Forumite
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    AndyPix wrote: »
    all I ask is please don't advise others on a subject that you really don't understand :)

    Now we get to the crux of all of this.

    The techie forum is for none techie people to ask questions and techie people to post advice.
    ALL of the techies have varying degrees of what they're good at and know about.

    The problem I have with all of this is simple : my advice doesn't hurt anyone.

    AVAST is free (At least the link I gave is). It cant do any harm to have it installed save for a tiny bit of battery and processor power. AVAST gain next to nothing from it.

    IF people have an android device that has slowed over time I can pretty much guarantee that so long as there isn't a hardware issue, my advice would help most none techies, completely outdoing any very small harm the AV may have done.

    So in reality you coming in fists flying about using an AV is not what this site is about.
    IF my suggestion of using an AV had been bad in some way, fair enough, but its not.

    Further to that, once people gain a little bit of experience they can decide for themselves if they wish to keep the AV or not.

    Now, whats wrong with any of that?
    What is SO important about an AV on android that requires this amount of effort to type on a forum that you MUST tell everyone about, destroying the whole point of the thread in the 1st place?
    :idea:
  • AndyPix
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    aliEnRIK wrote: »
    Says a lot about a person that

    I didn't say I had released it to the wild .. , How can you study and understand something better than creating it yourself ?

    Look pal im sick of you and your vaguely insulting trolly behaviour.
    I have offered you the experience of a professional in this field and you do nothing but imply my knowledge is incorrect.

    Iv offered everything I can and explained it in fine granularity.

    Here is the final offer .

    I will actually code a piece of android malware.
    Upload it to some webspace

    Invite you to download it, and see if your precious AV picks it up.

    Then will you shut up ?
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