Android Phone Battery

AndyPix

Of course not - but no antivirus is going to protect you from malware

Look , im out of this silly discussion now . You know my opinion, and it is founded in reality.
I am a penetration tester by trade, and have written viruses myself (im my younger more foolish days)

I also code in java, using eclipse, for the android platform and know all the interrupts and programmatic hooks.

You are a layman, who has misconceptions about viruses on mobile operating systems

best of luck

aliEnRIK

AndyPix wrote: »

Of course not - but no antivirus is going to protect you from malware

Look , im out of this silly discussion now . You know my opinion, and it is founded in reality.
I am a penetration tester by trade, and have written viruses myself (im my younger more foolish days)

I also code in java, using eclipse, for the android platform and know all the interrupts and programmatic hooks.

You are a layman, who has misconceptions about viruses on mobile operating systems

best of luck

Now see, THAT was a more professional way of talking rather than coming onto a techie forum and talking down to another poster.

Now to be fair, I incorrectly labelled the police malware as a virus. I do that because I have a different trade to yourself and don't really care for the correct jargon. If its bad, its bad (And malware can be far worse on phones than trojansa and viruses can be on computers as although files can be destroyed, thats generally better than the phone 'calling out' without your knowledge)

Back on track -
AVAST anti virus has found and blocked over 98% of APK malware files with only 1 false positive of over 4500 malicious files.
You will note via this link to av comparatives (A well known site for looking into malware and viruses etc)
http://www.av-comparatives.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/avc_mob_201502_en.pdf
that they first scanned all APK files and anything that was left was scanned 'on the fly' as it was installed.
I have found a lot of evidence to state that there have been malware APK files installed onto the PLAY site and certain ones have even got past the 'unknown sources' security built into android.
Now I respect you coming forward with your history and I am not going to question it. But then you shouldn't really question me when I have posted nothing wrong and so far have backed up my statements as such (The 'next to nothing' battery use of AVAST for example).

So sure, I agree that most people will be fine using play, with the 'unknown sources' used with no anti virus. But not everybody. Somebody WILL be unlucky enough to get infected.

Now, play nice......

aliEnRIK

"it is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. that is not weakness. that is life." - Jean Luc Picard

aliEnRIK

AndyPix wrote: »

I am a penetration tester by trade, and have written viruses myself (im my younger more foolish days)

I also code in java, using eclipse, for the android platform and know all the interrupts and programmatic hooks.

You are a layman, who has misconceptions about viruses on mobile operating systems

best of luck

As you're 'the man' can I ask your advice please?
Should I come across this 'Cheshire police authority' malware again how do I go about removing it without completely resetting the android device? Cheers for your help :T

AndyPix

aliEnRIK wrote: »

And malware can be far worse on phones than trojansa and viruses can be on computers as although files can be destroyed, thats generally better than the phone 'calling out' without your knowledge)

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#bangs head against wall# No it cant - jesus - you have to actually say when you install it , "yes - I want to allow this game to have access to my phone book and to be able to make calls"

On a pc, it can install its self, with no interaction from you whatsoever - and do what it likes

aliEnRIK wrote: »

certain ones have even got past the 'unknown sources' security built into android. ...

No - not ever - quote your source or stop scaremongering

aliEnRIK wrote: »

Somebody WILL be unlucky enough to get infected....

For the love of god YOU CANT GET INFECTED .. Apps on phones can only do what you give them permission to do . That really is the hard fact of the matter ..

Im not talking down to anyone, you simply see it that way because you are wrong.
I just don't want people believing your rubbish lol

Please come back , with a link to ONE instance of a mobile AV solution , successfully finding and removing a virus from a phone.

Tip : you wont be able to , because it never happened

AndyPix

aliEnRIK wrote: »

As you're 'the man' can I ask your advice please?
Should I come across this 'Cheshire police authority' malware again how do I go about removing it without completely resetting the android device? Cheers for your help :T

Im not saying I am the man atall and I find you insulting.
You really don't like being wrong do you ?

I have already posted clear simple instructions to remove the rogue app.

1. force power off
2. start in safe mode
3. settings -> application manager -> find an app with a name you don't recognise and uninstall it
4. Slap yourself on the wrists for ticking the "allow installation from untrusted sources" box

aliEnRIK

AndyPix wrote: »

Im not saying I am the man atall and I find you insulting.
You really don't like being wrong do you ?

I have already posted clear simple instructions to remove the rogue app.

1. force power off
2. start in safe mode
3. settings -> application manager -> find an app with a name you don't recognise and uninstall it
4. Slap yourself on the wrists for ticking the "allow installation from untrusted sources" box

That didnt work (Genuinely)

aliEnRIK

AndyPix wrote: »

#bangs head against wall# No it cant - jesus - you have to actually say when you install it , "yes - I want to allow this game to have access to my phone book and to be able to make calls"

On a pc, it can install its self, with no interaction from you whatsoever - and do what it likes



No - not ever - quote your source or stop scaremongering



For the love of god YOU CANT GET INFECTED .. Apps on phones can only do what you give them permission to do . That really is the hard fact of the matter ..

Im not talking down to anyone, you simply see it that way because you are wrong.
I just don't want people believing your rubbish lol

Please come back , with a link to ONE instance of a mobile AV solution , successfully finding and removing a virus from a phone.

Tip : you wont be able to , because it never happened

Same as with the small print on pc installs (Which very few people read), very few people would bother reading the list of whatever the 'app' wants to gain access to. Facebook being a classic example of pretty much allowing most of what the phone has to offer but allowing it all the same.

As for the link, I posted to the av comparitives site. Whatever the 'malware' did in each case I have no clue, but it did remove the malware app in over 98% of cases (I have already agreed theyre not viruses)

Malware has been posted on the play store. I am actually unsure what your trying to tell me now because you can install an app of the play store that has malware attached, even WITH an anti virus installed in a very rare number of cases.

ballyblack

Enjoying the posts, all very informative

BUT as the title of the original post says 'Android Phone Battery'

I was looking for something really new to save it?

Looks like the screen, especially on my Nexus 5 is the BIG battery drainer(bright light emission & all that)

I am trying to train myself to stop checking it so often!

Unfortunately battery tech has yet to catch up



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wongataa

aliEnRIK wrote: »

Now you're rolling.
In use, after using an app, use the ACTIVE APPLICATIONS widget to END ALL from running.

Killing apps instead of letting Android manage what goes on in the background can actually cause issues such as reduced responsiveness and higher battery usage as every time you open the app it has to be reloaded into memory from scratch.

Anyone who knows anything about Android recommends task killing apps should not be used. Apps should only be force stopped if they are causing an issue at that particular time.

Oh, and you are wrong about anti-virus on Android. Only install apps from Google play and don't search out the dodgier looking apps on there and you will be fine. If Google does come across one of the very few malware apps on Play and you have installed it they will force uninstall it from your device.