Hugh's War on Waste

windup

Pollycat wrote: »

Of course it matters what time you eat - stuffing your face with chips at midnight is going to be worse for your weight than a reasonable meal at 6pm.

and the scientific basis of this assertion is?

Pollycat

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Many of us want to eat dinner at a grown up hour (not midnight) rather than at the time that children sit down for high tea.:D

Splitting hairs.....

Eating at 8pm or 9pm is better than midnight.

VfM4meplse

windup wrote: »

and the scientific basis of this assertion is?

If we were to get back on the topic of the war on waste, I would assert that excessive eating to that extent - having the weight of another person about your body - is bloody wasteful. How is it that there is enough food in the world for 7 billion people, yet one in nine don't have enough to eat. The real crime is unequal global distribution and a lack of political will to address this.

Now that would be a good problem for HFW to extend his largesse to.

SailorSam

barneydee wrote: »

Just been watching Nigel Slater on dish of the day know there is someone who should do this type of program as his program dish of the day he shows how to use up every last bit I love his recipes dose any one else like Nigel Slater ?
Dee x

I use to enjoy watching Nigel Slater when he had his series, what amazed me about it was every single week one of the shop assistants he'd been talking to would turn up at his house to help cook tea, or he'd go to theirs.
None of checkout women in Asda of Tesco ever invite me home.

windup

animals/humans are designed to be able to eat more when food is plentiful and edible , and feed off that stored fat later on, exactly what he did, no waste. waste goes in the bin

C_J

I try very hard not to waste food because it's just the equivalent of throwing my own hard-earned money into the bin.

I grow quite a lot of my own fruit and veg (many of which aren't a perfect shape!) and will cook up veg peelings to (a) make veg stock and (b) feed the cooked peelings to my hens. Anything they can't have will go into one of the compost bins or the wormery, and end up back on the veg garden in due course. I compost the chicken bedding too, as it's a great accelerator.

I have a drawer in the kitchen freezer which I use to freeze tiny portions of things - a few strips of left over peppers, a couple of diced mushrooms etc etc - until there are enough to make a meal (or at least to pimp up a pizza or add to a soup).

I use the freezer a lot to control food freshness, batch cook loads, and bulk-up recipes with cheaper ingredients to make them stretch further (ie grated carrot and/or red lentils in burgers/bolognese/chilli).

Reducing waste and keeping costs down requires planning galore, attention to detail, and time. I think it probably helps if you actually enjoy cooking too

Pollycat

windup wrote: »

and the scientific basis of this assertion is?

OK.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3263249.stm

I guess the 47 monkeys have proved me wrong. :rotfl:

But Hey! ' With all the U turns on dietary advice going on - who knows.
After all, we were advised not to drink red wine and WOW! What do the 'experts' say now?

The fact is that eating late at night can be bad for your health.
And - as someone who was lugging the weight of another person around with him - Tom Kerridge should have known better.

As for fruit being full of sugar, it is also full of vitamins and forms an important part of your 'five a day'.

windup

someones weight is their business, picking on people for it (especially in a thread on a completely different topic) is the sort of bullying that happens in the schoolyard. He's lost it now, so obviously he does know better. It only takes a few calories extra over a few years to pile on weight, especially in middle age when the metabolism slows down.

the only reason the don't eat after xpm works, is because it's a rule which if stuck to, helps people avoid snacking, and tucking into extra takeaways, and helps having fewer hunger pangs during waking hours. It's completely illogical to suggest that eating the same meal at 7pm is any different from eating at 6.30, or 8, as the monkey's proved.

red wine has calories (500 per bottle), as does fruit, both can make people put on weight, veg is a better route to weight loss than fruit - vitamins and fibre without the calories.

tuskel

Butterfly_Brain wrote: »

Thanks for the heads up Andrea, I will watch, but I find all these multi-millionaire chefs jumping on the bandwagon, preachifying to those who have to struggle and have been doing this for years rather sickening

Isn't he the original multi-millionaire celebrity chef who did it though? And he has brought a lot of the food waste/overfishing etc issues to light, which means things are changing, even if slowly. I don't feel he is "preachifying" to us, he is grabbing the b*lls of the people who make the laws and have power to change all that wasting. Y'know.

tuskel,
sincerely

NewShadow

Pollycat wrote: »

Of course it matters what time you eat - stuffing your face with chips at midnight is going to be worse for your weight than a reasonable meal at 6pm...The fact is that eating late at night can be bad for your health.

Yes, a reasonable meal is better than chips... but i think the point was eating a meal at 6 and eating the same meal at midnight makes little difference to it's nutritional value.

This study shows that "dinner time" hunger may be more about what time your head thinks it is, rather than the state of your stomach.

Related to the idea of regular meals, is the idea of regular family meals. This study suggests a number of positive social effects related to regular family meals.

And this one that increased frequency of meals (with the same total intake) may reduce cholesterol.

Then a few random quotes regards "don't eat after 6pm"

From WebMD:

According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Weight Control Information Network web site, “it does not matter what time of day you eat. It is what and how much you eat and how much physical activity you do during the whole day that determines whether you gain, lose, or maintain your weight.”

From RealSimple.com:

The theory: You burn up the food you eat earlier in the day, while late-night calories sit in your system and turn into fat.

The reality: Calories can't tell time. "Your body digests and uses calories the same way morning, noon, and night," says Mary Flynn, Ph.D., a research dietitian at the Miriam Hospital, in Providence.

From NetDoctor.co.uk:

Myth
Food eaten late at night is more fattening.

Fact
Many diets tell you not to eat after a certain time in the evening. They say the body will store more fat because it is not burned off with any activity. A study at the Dunn Nutrition Centre in Cambridge suggests otherwise.

The results revealed the large meal eaten late at night did not make the body store more fat.

From BBC News:

Scientists at Oregon Health & Science University in the United States carried out tests on 47 female monkeys. They found no link between when the animals ate and whether or not they put on weight. .

"The bottom line is a calorie is a calorie whenever you eat it," he told BBC News Online. "Your body doesn't really recognise what time of day it is. It is a little bit of a myth.

Conclusion: The fact is, what matters is what you eat, and how much, not when you eat it.

(with thanks to the good people at stack exchange that I have shamelessly ripped off)