school - detention - giving notice

Guest101

dearlouise wrote: »

I don't know where you went to school, but children aren't 'detained'. They can quite easily leave a detention, or school in fact, at any time. However the chances are the detention will double, or even triple in duration is a detention isn't completed. Then of course if that one isn't completed either, then it's exclusion. Do that a few times & you as a parent would be handed school transfer papers. Don't like the school... there are many more you can choose to go to.

Though I have a sneaky feeling they're mostly following the same rules and expectations. So home-schooling maybe?!

Detention, that's what being detained means. - physical detention and legal detention are two separate things.


A police officer might detain you without ever laying hands on you (in fact unless you are being arrested that's exactly what should happen!)

C_Mababejive

dearlouise wrote: »

I don't know where you went to school, but children aren't 'detained'. They can quite easily leave a detention, or school in fact, at any time. However the chances are the detention will double, or even triple in duration is a detention isn't completed. Then of course if that one isn't completed either, then it's exclusion. Do that a few times & you as a parent would be handed school transfer papers. Don't like the school... there are many more you can choose to go to.

Though I have a sneaky feeling they're mostly following the same rules and expectations. So home-schooling maybe?!

Thats as may be but were are not talking about emotional arguments here,we are talking about law. If the child decides to leave the school rather than attend detention and a teacher then attempts to prevent that or detain the child, surely they are open to an accusation of kidnapping?

onomatopoeia99

euronorris wrote: »

Grossly unfair to punish innocents in my opinion, but it did happen, and probably still does. So, not all detentions are avoidable.

Class detention was always a terrible idea. I know people who were off sick on the day the act that caused it happened, but still had to go to the detention as it was for the whole class.

That goes entirely against natural justice and one would expect better from a group of people that claim to be "professionals".

dearlouise

Guest101 wrote: »

Detention, that's what being detained means. - physical detention and legal detention are two separate things.


A police officer might detain you without ever laying hands on you (in fact unless you are being arrested that's exactly what should happen!)

Are we really now 'discussing' the relevance of the word detention? You suggested that kids couldn't leave. I simply explained, they can! Nothing more to discuss on that front, really.

dearlouise

C_Mababejive wrote: »

Thats as may be but were are not talking about emotional arguments here,we are talking about law. If the child decides to leave the school rather than attend detention and a teacher then attempts to prevent that or detain the child, surely they are open to an accusation of kidnapping?

I doubt very much anyone would physically attempt to keep a child in school unless it was a very particular situation. For the purpose of attending detention, oh hell no.

balletshoes

C_Mababejive wrote: »

Thats as may be but were are not talking about emotional arguments here,
we are talking about law.
If the child decides to leave the school rather than attend detention and a teacher then attempts to prevent that or detain the child, surely they are open to an accusation of kidnapping?

if thats not an emotional argument i don't know what is!
in my daughter's school, a teacher doesn't attempt to detain a child, the child turns up for the duration of the detention or they don't. If they don't, a letter is sent home to the parents.

Guest101

dearlouise wrote: »

Are we really now 'discussing' the relevance of the word detention? You suggested that kids couldn't leave. I simply explained, they can! Nothing more to discuss on that front, really.

No I didn't? What you quoted is literally the only thing I've written in this thread.


The relevance of the word detention is actually the principle behind the punishment. The child is 'detained' in school, where he or she would otherwise not be.

Guest101

I think people seem to confuse physically detaining someone, with legally detaining someone.


Well one would be assault and the other.. wouldn't.

dearlouise

onomatopoeia99 wrote: »

Class detention was always a terrible idea. I know people who were off sick on the day the act that caused it happened, but still had to go to the detention as it was for the whole class.

That goes entirely against natural justice and one would expect better from a group of people that claim to be "professionals".

Does this still happen? I've not witnessed this in the last 5 years. Possibly in the 80's?

engineer_amy

onomatopoeia99 wrote: »

Class detention was always a terrible idea. I know people who were off sick on the day the act that caused it happened, but still had to go to the detention as it was for the whole class.

That goes entirely against natural justice and one would expect better from a group of people that claim to be "professionals".

The most unfair act I witnessed was when I was about 3rd year (13-14 yo) We had left a practical science class where our blazers had been hung up on hooks and we wore white lab coats. A small sum of cash (less than £5) went missing from one boy's blazer pocket. We had all gone on to a maths class, at the end of this class the science teacher sent round word of what had happened. All of us were asked if we knew anything about the missing money - no one did. We then had to turn out our pockets, but there was no proof that the money that anyone had didn't belong to them.
The maths teacher then allowed all the girls to leave "because girls wouldn't do anything as nasty as steal money"!!!!!! All the boys were held behind and told if they didn't find the culprit then they would all face detention the next day. No one owns up, all the boys get a notice slip home. Cue 15 complaints from the boys' parents claiming gender discrimination etc.
The detention was cancelled, but to my knowledge the teacher never apologised. She still believed she was in the right, but just showed that she didn't know how to manage something like that.