370tt?

almillar

Lotus Evora.

On a £4,000 budget?!

I am not trying to "cheat economy out of an engine".

There's no doubt that the turbo adds performance at the same size of engine, but my point was just that you can't switch a turbo on and off with your right foot, in case you thought you could. It'll add efficiency at the cost of responsiveness and sound. The lag of a turbo used to be a feature, that for better AND worse, they've been able to gradually nearly get rid of.

NA is dead and buried. I don't see the attraction of it, why would you stick with less efficient/less powerful engine when force induction and hybridisation offers more power AND more ecnomoy. If you drive any of the new turbo charged cars, your realise 'turbo lag' is all but a non-existent problem. Add in electric turbos or hybrid drivetrains and your get torque curves NA engine can never match.

This may be true for many drivers and applications, but turbos will always add cost and complexity, therefore cheaper engine = NA. You also completely miss the 'joy of driving'. Unless Jeremy Clarkson's roaming this forum, I don't think anyone here has driven a turbo car that has that responsive instantaneous response of a good NA engine (preferably at high revs!).
They've been co-existing for years, one doesn't have to replace the other!

Ferrari 458 Italia, Lexus LFA

I wouldn't offend those cars with the label 'sports car', and they're hardly representative.

Look at F1, the fastest ever cars were from the 2004-2005

Really bad example - check the top speeds (the engine's job). You're right that the fastest laptimes are from then, with 3.5 litre V10s, but they also had a tyre war and bigger areas to work with for aerodynamics. The little turbos they use today are actually very fast in a straight line!

This is the toque curve from a Golf R

This car is the definition of efficiency over fun. Similar to Subarus being faster than Ferraris. I'll stick with the Ferrari, thanks.
Please remember, this thread was started by someone who wanted a sports car, and wanted SOME economy out of it. A diesel supermini or a Nissan Leaf does not fit that brief.

And just since no-one has mentioned it and we're talking about efficiency, how about that new Honda CRV. Not exactly fast but a lovely looking wee car. Probably still way over budget...

dannyrst

Budget is as low as possible :rotfl:

But seriously, the top end will probably be around £20,000.

Although I did just find a lease deal for a BMW M235 for £360 p/m.

BeenThroughItAll

Silversurferz wrote: »

Please provide evidence to say the 1980's turbo F1 cars have faster lap times than the 2004/5 season F1 cars. As far as I'm aware majority of F1 record lap times held by the latter. Straight line speed isn't everything.

Please provide evidence that you are not Darkmatter101.

motorguy

Silversurferz wrote: »

OP you say you want a turbo but isn't a 370z NA? Here are power/torque curves for the TTS and 370z. It may help you decide which car is right for you........

You could have saved yourself all that, by reading the first post.

tykesi

Good grief, the sooner DM is PPR again the better!

motorguy

tykesi wrote: »

Good grief, the sooner DM is PPR again the better!

Report him as yet another ID being used to disrupt threads by Dark Matter, whos a banned user.

The mods will take notice.

dannyrst

Silversurferz wrote: »

Honestly I didn't want to bring up the stupid M3 but it is actually a good fit between a more driver focused high RPM 370z and a good interior build TTS with a more torquey output.

Have you driven an M3 before to comment on it being a driver focused car?

tykesi

motorguy wrote: »

Report him as yet another ID being used to disrupt threads by Dark Matter, whos a banned user.

The mods will take notice.

Already done earlier today. Pity there's no way of stopping the continuous phoenix.

motorguy

SlipperySid wrote: »

But you said this earlier.

And he also said this...

Silversurferz wrote: »

I'm not the most knowledgeable when it comes to cars

But all of a sudden hes an expert.

motorguy

Silversurferz wrote: »

A car can still be amazing to drive even if it has poor reliability.

Uh, however you said

Silversurferz wrote: »

Drivers car yet with high quality interior finish.

After saying

Silversurferz wrote: »

typical of BMW poor quality