370tt?

motorguy

wba31 wrote: »

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

Horrendous cars. My boss toyed between and RCZ and a TT for a while and went with an RCZ as it was cheaper, and regrets it! Hers has spent so much time in the garage, main fault is that when her orange fuel light (you know the one that warns you that you have 50miles worth of fuel left) comes on, her engine goes into limp home mode and she has to take it to Peugeot to reset the ECU thing. Peugeot initially changed the fuel pump, fuel tank and various other bits and pieces, but it kept happening. She asked me to speak to my dad about it (Peugeot mechanic) who said that it is a common fault with the RCZ, and the guidance is "don't let the orange fuel light come on..." which is just utterly ridiculous that you are advised to drive without that safety net when it comes to running out of fuel...
Im not anti-french like some people still are, Peugeot do make some good cars, and i am the kind of person who would be a top spec Leon or Golf over an Audi A3 or 1 series because i think you're paying for a badge, BUT if someone was to ask my opinion between an RCZ, TT, or Z4 as now in the question, I would push them away from Pug...

Hey, dont shoot the messenger. He asked for options on turbocharged coupes...

motorguy

dannyrst wrote: »

1) My understanding of turbo cars is that you can drive at low revs to avoid using the turbo and obtain higher MPG but if you want to hoon it around some back roads you have the turbo at higher revs to improve performance, effectively giving you the best of both words.

Even with simple acceleration and changing gear, you will engage the turbo. As has been said, there is probably not as big a difference as you'd expect. For example, we'd a 3.0 straight six Z4 Coupe that did an easy 28MPG brim to brim, yet the turbo 2.0 z4 that effectively replaced it only averaged around 33mpg.

dannyrst wrote: »

3) Cayman would be a nice choice but I fear I'd be paying more money for the badge to get roughly the same performance as a 370z (so I might aswell get a 370z and put the savings to fuel as motorguy suggested).

You're paying for an excellent car, with a premium brand, however you will be buying a significantly older one than you will otherwise buy of a non premium brand AND they require a very high / expensive standard of maintenance AND are prone to expensive faults.

dannyrst wrote: »

4) Scirocco has crossed my mind and is indeed a good shout, but they seem stupidly expensive (German premium price).

Yes, pricey, however all "bespoke" sports cars usually are.

dannyrst wrote: »

motorguy - what is it like living with a 370z. Do you feel like your second home is the petrol station?

No, not really, but you have to accept its hard on fuel, and weigh that up against the benefits - amazing big N/A engine, decent car, lots of toys, relatively cheap price used, etc, etc. We were putting around £35 a week into the 2.0i Turbo Z4 and the 370Z takes around £50-55 for the same runs. Oh, and road tax is horrendous (£490 for the year!! :eek:)

BUT running a bespoke powerful coupe is never going to be cheap.

What about a GT86 / BRZ? They have around 200BHP as standard which is more than enough and seem to be easy modded for extra BHP if you so desire. They arent terribly expensive either

gzoom

dannyrst wrote: »

That was the only reason for wanting a turbo as opposed to N/A, so if an N/A car can compete with turbo MPG I'd not discount it.

Has anyone got any details on the 370z replacement? I seem to recall reading it was going to be a hybrid? That could be interesting.

I had a 350Z for over 3 years and replaced with a BMW 335i-which had 2 turbos.


Honestly speaking, I cannot see a future for non-turbo cars. NA is more reliable but the power gains you get with a tubro charged engine is crazy. I had my 335i running close to 400bhp, and it was MORE economical than my 350Z - 280bhp.


As for the 370Z replacement, Nissan hasn't committed anything yet. Yes it's likely to be a hybrid but I doubt your be able to buy one till 2017/18 at the earliest.


If want the best 'sports car' experience, I think the suggestions of a GT86 is good choice, stick on a supercharger if you want to, and your have a one-off car.


http://www.litchfieldimports.co.uk/Toyota/BRZ-GT86-SPEC-S

gzoom

Herzlos wrote: »

Anyway, don't rule something out just because it doesn't have a turbo. There's no replacement for displacement :A

Actually there is, its called a remap and larger intercooler + hi-flow downpipes.


400bhp in a Golf R (33% power gain over stock), total cost of conversion under £2K....Try getting that kind of power increase on a NA engine without spending £5-10K+ on a full rebuild.


http://www.revotechnik.com/product-details/software/volkswagen/golf-vii/181/stage-2


http://www.pistonheads.com/news/road-tests/vw-golf-r-revo-technik-driven/33029

motorguy

gzoom wrote: »

I had a 350Z for over 3 years and replaced with a BMW 335i-which had 2 turbos.


Honestly speaking, I cannot see a future for non-turbo cars. NA is more reliable but the power gains you get with a tubro charged engine is crazy. I had my 335i running close to 400bhp, and it was MORE economical than my 350Z - 280bhp.


As for the 370Z replacement, Nissan hasn't committed anything yet. Yes it's likely to be a hybrid but I doubt your be able to buy one till 2017/18 at the earliest.


If want the best 'sports car' experience, I think the suggestions of a GT86 is good choice, stick on a supercharger if you want to, and your have a one-off car.


http://www.litchfieldimports.co.uk/Toyota/BRZ-GT86-SPEC-S

Totally agree with all of that - which to me is why we should buy big NA engines while we can.

Turbo'd engines while producing more BHP from a smaller displacement, just dont sound the same as a good NA engine. You only have to look at the new M3 / M4 where they pipe in the noise of a V8 through the speaker system....

But yes, there is no future for big NA engines.

motorguy

gzoom wrote: »

Actually there is, its called a remap and larger intercooler + hi-flow downpipes.


400bhp in a Golf R (33% power gain over stock), total cost of conversion under £2K....Try getting that kind of power increase on a NA engine without spending £5-10K+ on a full rebuild.


http://www.revotechnik.com/product-details/software/volkswagen/golf-vii/181/stage-2


http://www.pistonheads.com/news/road-tests/vw-golf-r-revo-technik-driven/33029

But you dont gain the whole experience do you?

What you gain in power, you lose in the soundtrack and personality of the engine.

Theres little to beat the noise of a good big NA engine.

I had a 2.8 VR6 engined VW Caddy van there for a while - the sound off it was glorious, but to be in and to hear it coming down the road - complete with full induction kit and freeflowing exhaust system.

Somebody said "oh it would have been quicker with a 1.8T conversion"

"Uh Huh. And?"

gzoom

^^ I've actually gone the whole way and moved to EVs. Don't miss the noise at all.


Personally I'll take performance and improved efficiency over noise and drama. If you want proper noise and drama, these things provide it in at a level no internal combustion engine car every manage

almillar

1) My understanding of turbo cars is that you can drive at low revs to avoid using the turbo and obtain higher MPG but if you want to hoon it around some back roads you have the turbo at higher revs to improve performance, effectively giving you the best of both words.

If you think you're going to drive like this and somehow cheat good economy out of an engine, you'll be disappointed. The turbo is likely to be spinning much more than you think and it's not just a switch.

Jeremy Clarkson on 370Z: "It's very nasty".

In a good way :-)

Caymen - much as I love my 350z and lust after the 370, the build quality of the Porsche will be in a different league. And of course the badge does make it more expensive.
How about a supercharged SLK or CLK or Jaguar XKR (?) since you like forced induction so much?

Totally agree with all of that - which to me is why we should buy big NA engines while we can.

Hopefully I'm running a 'future classic'!

Anybody who knows what 'responsiveness' means in an engine, knows that instananeous kick you get from an NA engine that most turbos still can't quite manage (though they've got a lot closer).

DKLS

gzoom wrote: »

Honestly speaking, I cannot see a future for non-turbo cars. NA is more reliable but the power gains you get with a tubro charged engine is crazy. I had my 335i running close to 400bhp, and it was MORE economical than my 350Z - 280bhp.

Cant disagree with that and I can see more EV and hybrid models coming out and was mightily impressed when the Tesla driving cabbie in Amsterdam stuck it in Insane mode and gave it the beans,

However It does seem a little sad to me, i loved the power delivery on my Forester and loved it even more on a Saab 900 turbo which had epic turbo lag.

Plant your right foot, nothing, nothing WARRRRRRGGGHHHH

jaydeeuk1

Lotus Evora.
Doesn't need a turbo, its mental enough. Think it looks gorgeous. No one in the history of the world has looked at an evora and thought "You know what, I prefer the peugeot"