Speeding ticket for doing 34 in a 30 zone despite being in a 40

Lord_Baltimore

George_Michael wrote: »

You read it but obviously didn't understand it.

I understand it differently to you. Obviously.

The OP's car was not in the 30 mph zone when the photograph was taken.

The camera is physically located in the 40 mph zone but monitors the speed of vehicles that enter the 30 mph zone.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

Lord_Baltimore wrote: »

I understand it differently to you. Obviously.



The camera is physically located in the 40 mph zone but monitors the speed of vehicles that enter the 30 mph zone.

but obviously the camera doesn't know where the boundary of differing posted limits are, or it would have taken a photo of the OP's car outside the 40mph limit and IN the 30MPH speeding not the other way round, you cannot issue a FPN on the pretext the OP's isn't going to slow down to 30 MPH as it crosses into the 30MPH zone, if this can happen and a successful prosecution result from it, then it WILL BE free game for all force area's to place camera's on speed limit boundaries and flash every single car that passes through it and get a successful prosecution from it when contested. It may also set the president to FPN anyone who MAY or COULD commit a driving offence. If the OP's car is in the 40zone, before the boundary he isn't speeding, no matter how close to the 30mph boundary he is if he's doing 35 in a 40 its not an offence until the point he is over into the 30mph side then he is committing an offence of speeding. I would send the photo back and pointing out the obvious I'm still in a 40MPH zone, do you have any evidence that I am infact in a 30mph zone speeding?.

George_Michael

Lord_Baltimore wrote: »

The camera is physically located in the 40 mph zone but monitors the speed of vehicles that enter the 30 mph zone.

Not quite.
The camera took a photo of the OP's car before it entered the 30 mph zone.

Why not arrest people in bars for drinking half a pint of shandy?
After all, if they keep drinking it's only a matter of time before they are over the legal limit for drink driving.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precrime

dannyrst

I feel as though Lord Baltimore recently watched Minority Report.

Lord_Baltimore

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

but obviously the camera doesn't know where the boundary of differing posted limits are, or it would have taken a photo of the OP's car outside the 40mph limit and IN the 30MPH speeding not the other way round, you cannot issue a FPN on the pretext the OP's isn't going to slow down to 30 MPH as it crosses into the 30MPH zone, if this can happen and a successful prosecution result from it, then it WILL BE free game for all force area's to place camera's on speed limit boundaries and flash every single car that passes through it and get a successful prosecution from it when contested. It may also set the president to FPN anyone who MAY or COULD commit a driving offence. If the OP's car is in the 40zone, before the boundary he isn't speeding, no matter how close to the 30mph boundary he is if he's doing 35 in a 40 its not an offence until the point he is over into the 30mph side then he is committing an offence of speeding. I would send the photo back and pointing out the obvious I'm still in a 40MPH zone, do you have any evidence that I am infact in a 30mph zone speeding?.

The OP said the camera didn't flash so there are some uncertain details in his description. Where did those photos come from ?

George_Michael wrote: »

Not quite.
The camera took a photo of the OP's car before it entered the 30 mph zone.

Why not arrest people in bars for drinking half a pint of shandy?
After all, if they keep drinking it's only a matter of time before they are over the legal limit for drink driving.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precrime

Because if they stop drinking, the effect is immediate and they will not be breaking the law. The physics of momentum is not immediate.

dannyrst wrote: »

I feel as though Lord Baltimore recently watched Minority Report.

I don't know what the minority report is?

I do wish you would all stop encouraging the OP to "fight this injustice". It will cost him more in the long run particularly as there is discrepancy in the events as told...

agrinnall

Minority Report

"In a future where a special police unit is able to arrest murderers before they commit their crimes..."

maninthestreet

Lord_Baltimore wrote: »

Because if they stop drinking, the effect is immediate and they will not be breaking the law. The physics of momentum is not immediate.

Incorrect - the blood alcohol level can continue to rise for some time after drinking alcohol has ceased.
Just how long do you think it takes to reduce speed by just 4mph???

shaun_from_Africa

maninthestreet wrote: »

Just how long do you think it takes to reduce speed by just 4mph???

It wouldn't even need to be 4 mph.
As I mentioned in a different thread a couple of days ago, the ACPO state that the equipment used by the police has an accuracy of +/- 2 mph at speeds below 66 mph and that this should be accepted as the threshold for prosecution.
Taking that into account, the OP would only needed to have slowed by 2 mph, something that wouldn't have taken much if they were already slowing down.

Just because the OP didn't see a flash doesn't mean that there wasn't one. They may have missed it or the flash could have been broken.
Lack of a flash doesn't mean anything providing that the photograph is clear.

Lord_Baltimore wrote: »

I do wish you would all stop encouraging the OP to "fight this injustice". It will cost him more in the long run particularly as there is discrepancy in the events as told...

And I wish that you would stop trying to get the OP to accept a penalty for an offence that may well not have even happened.

George_Michael

Lord_Baltimore wrote: »

Because if they stop drinking, the effect is immediate and they will not be breaking the law. The physics of momentum is not immediate.

Normal social drinking

For normal social-type drinking, the highest BAC is usually achieved within 30 minutes after completion of consumption, though it could take as long as 60 minutes. When large amounts of alcohol are consumed over a short time interval, or when a large quantity of food is eaten with the alcohol, the absorption phase may not be complete for up to two (2) hours after last consumption.

http://www.forcon.ca/learning/alcohol.html

What's the saying?
When in a hole, stop digging.

CHR15

I'm sure I saw on one of those "Police Stop!" type progs the Police asked when the last drink was consumed, if it was within 15 minutes, they don't breathalyze. In that scene they just kept them talking/checking until 15 minutes had passed.