ee pay monthly deals to be found?

londonTiger

mobilejunkie wrote: »

Well, that's strange since they obviously don't issue a VAT at the end of the year.

Talkmobile issue invoices without that statement on them; so do Vodafone. In either case, you pay it when it's due and they are liable for it at that point. In my case, although it is balanced out at the end of the year it is reflected in what I pay monthly the following year. When I issue the VAT invoice only affects when I get paid from my customers - not when I account for it to the government.

Again, you're taking your situation and extrapolating to everyone else's situation.

You seem to havce a very relaxed attitude to getting proper vat invoices so I'm going to take that with a pinch of salt.

But I do know that three, o2, ee definately do not produce proper vat receipts.

You should not be claiming VAT back on receipts that state "this is not a vat invoice". I did some research and these are regarded as pro-forma invoices.

http://www.accountspayable.co.uk/articles/article.php?article=14&catid=14&lv=0&bc=

Pro forma invoices do not appear on the sales ledger of the supplier so they do not hand over the VAT to HMRC on that date. They may do so - but it defeats the purpose of sending out a proforma.

When you claim back VAT off a pro-forma, there is a chance that your input VAT has not been declared by matching output VAT by the supplier.

mobilejunkie

Not really. As it says, "The sale will not be deemed to have taken place until payment has been received. Only then will the supplier need to account for VAT in its records and issue a VAT invoice to the customer.". It also makes it perfectly clear that a "pro-forma" invoice should only be used for either a quotation or renewal. Again, it states "The sale will not be deemed to have taken place until payment has been received. Only then will the supplier need to account for VAT in its records and issue a VAT invoice to the customer".

As I said, the tax point is the earlier of the VAT invoice or actual supply and the sellor is then liable for the VAT due to be (or) received, regardless of whether the invoice has been issued.

Not sure who is "lapse", but if that's all you can come up with you are quite clearly mistaken.

londonTiger

do whatever you want, i hope you get a VAT inspection at some point and the inspector tears you a new ahole after seeing all these pro-forma invoices you have accepted as full vat invoices.

diamonds

londonTiger wrote: »

1) It's for business use, mobile phone companies do not provide vat receipts on personal lines, and there are all sorts of weird tax rules about mobile phone invoiced to anyone but the company not being an allowable expense. The contract must be in the company's name. I can edit my name on giffgaff so it's London Tiger Ltd, :rotfl:. Weirdly gifffgaff do also provide VAT receipts, despite their terms saying not for business use.

As ND pointed out, I need a long term cheap plan on EE in order to facilitate getting mobile broadband high capacity sims easily on an ad hoc basis.

2) EE 4G mobile broadband is the king, three have the same coverage as EE but much slower 4G (Three have contracts with t-mobile and orage to use their infrastrcture), but EE have since jjinvested on far better infrastrcuture outside of their deal with three which puts three behind.

o2 very average, vodaphone abysmal.

HUTCHISON 3G and T-Mobile merged their base station sites and backhaul data transmission, a 50/50 venture.. MBNL


When TMob and Orange merged, everything remained as is 50/50 EE & Hutchison.


There is no superior network it is the same network with different frequency transmitters, only higher speeds on EE, 3 actually by the time 800mhz is rolled out will have much better coverage, thats before the o2 buy out if successful.

mobilejunkie

londonTiger wrote: »

do whatever you want, i hope you get a VAT inspection at some point and the inspector tears you a new ahole after seeing all these pro-forma invoices you have accepted as full vat invoices.

Dream on tiger.

londonTiger

diamonds wrote: »

HUTCHISON 3G and T-Mobile merged their base station sites and backhaul data transmission, a 50/50 venture.. MBNL


When TMob and Orange merged, everything remained as is 50/50 EE & Hutchison.


There is no superior network it is the same network with different frequency transmitters, only higher speeds on EE, 3 actually by the time 800mhz is rolled out will have much better coverage, thats before the o2 buy out if successful.

not true. EE have invested in their own infrastrcuture which Three does not have access to. That is why you get "higher speeds on EE". Three uses H+ (enhanced 3G, not 4G). Also I know from experience that I can get good 4G in my office, but can't get any data connection on three.

EE has MBNL + Orange's data infrastructure + new 4G from recent investment.

Three has MBNL

diamonds

londonTiger wrote: »

not true. EE have invested in their own infrastrcuture which Three does not have access to. That is why you get "higher speeds on EE". Three uses H+ (enhanced 3G, not 4G). Also I know from experience that I can get good 4G in my office, but can't get any data connection on three.

EE has MBNL + Orange's data infrastructure + new 4G from recent investment.

Three has MBNL

The infrastructure is the same, the EE base station transmitter on site maybe allows higher speeds and different frequencies, but its the same backhaul delivery.

3 2100mhz 3G will not penetrate buildings aswell as 800mhz. EE on 1800mhz, lower than 2100mhz will penetrate better, 2600mhz is for built up areas infill.

4G Three 800mhz is not on on your area I guesa.

londonTiger

diamonds wrote: »

The infrastructure is the same, the EE base station transmitter on site maybe allows higher speeds and different frequencies, but its the same backhaul delivery.

3 2100mhz 3G will not penetrate buildings aswell as 800mhz. EE on 1800mhz, lower than 2100mhz will penetrate better, 2600mhz is for built up areas infill.

4G Three 800mhz is not on on your area I guesa.

Listen, i don't know how else to tell you think, EE have put MORE masts up in MORE locations. So they can deliver 4G in MORE places.

The stuff that EE (as a JV) are doing is outside of Tmobiles agreement with three (MBNL). I supply 4G routers for a living. I've done plenty of site surveys and know from experienced that loads of places have 4G coverage in full and you can only get 3G with three. Also sometimes 3G reception is non-existant with three where you can get good coverage with EE

diamonds

londonTiger wrote: »

Listen, i don't know how else to tell you think, EE have put MORE masts up in MORE locations. So they can deliver 4G in MORE places.

The stuff that EE (as a JV) are doing is outside of Tmobiles agreement with three (MBNL). I supply 4G routers for a living. I've done plenty of site surveys and know from experienced that loads of places have 4G coverage in full and you can only get 3G with three. Also sometimes 3G reception is non-existant with three where you can get good coverage with EE

EE merged Orange backhaul into MBNL, de-commissoned unwanted Orange sites. As I stated, MBNL upgrades and frequencies give different results based on this in the exact same location to the millimetre.


I would be researching for your job a bit more, because EE only use MBNL for its frequency broadcasting, with BT Wholesale and Virgin Business supplying it's data needs back to its servers via MBNL.

londonTiger

diamonds wrote: »

EE merged Orange backhaul into MBNL, de-commissoned unwanted Orange sites. As I stated, MBNL upgrades and frequencies give different results based on this in the exact same location to the millimetre.


I would be researching for your job a bit more, because EE only use MBNL for its frequency broadcasting, with BT Wholesale and Virgin Business supplying it's data needs back to its servers via MBNL.

really they decomissionied orange sites where there are no MBNL coverage? that's very clever isn't it?

I can tell you from experience I have experienced NO RECEPTION on three where we get 25mbps on EE. Our office is one of them where we set up this equipment over and over again.