Gifted Children

POPPYOSCAR

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid"

POPPYOSCAR

Sorry to disappoint you but no, they only have the one job and work normal hours.

This is interesting http://www.buzzfeed.com/ashleyperez/23-famous-dropouts-who-turned-out-just-fine#.sy1VNXYY2resting

daytona0

Lunar_Eclipse wrote: »

I'm not aware that I have defined gifted. My interpretation, is the one commonly understand and measured by IQ.

I felt that there was an implicit definition of 'gifted' in your post.

Although it was my husband's choice to go to university, I'm not sure he really gave it much thought and really knew that he had a choice. I don't recall any conversations taking place about alternatives, for him nor me. There were only two girls in my year at sixth form who didn't go to university; one went straight into nursing (now you do need a degree) and the other went to secretarial college. At the time, if you did well at school, the assumption was you went to university. He thought it was the best option at the time.

Well I do admit that hindsight is a great tool, but wholly useless in the present moment!

BUT he gave up at the final hurdle despite going through so much compulsory education. Absolutely crazy time to throw in the towel! I do think it is a bit of an insult to those who may not have access to further education, but who could otherwise better themselves with it.

Why do you feel gifted children living somewhere like Liverpool can't become successful?

Lol. Why don't you spend a week in somewhere like Croxteth and get back to me on why some gifted children (though each are gifted in their own way, I refer to those who could rival your OH in his job or your daughter in accountancy - the cushy jobs) may not be afforded the same opportunities as the likes of yourselves.

PS try not to get shot of knifed by the local drug gang Although in fairness it isn't the worst place in the world, it is still bad though.

My husband went to university overseas, so didn't use up any valuable funding here. He is however now contributing to the UK in many ways.

The key question is:

'Was he [or your daughter] funded?'

If not then I shudder to think of either how much money you all have, or how little you value money

If so then the principle stands.

GwylimT

yes, to study a completely different area after working in that area for 12 months. It was asked could someone succeed after dropping out, it wasn't specified that you could never take up a form of education in the future. Unfortunately I can't read minds.

theoretica

Petra_70 wrote: »

if you quit a degree after 2 years, and you can't be bothered to complete the last year; that reflects very poorly on you as a person. It shows you can't see things through, and have no staying power or determination.

Or it shows you have the sense to realise when you are on the wrong path and spending the next year in university to get that particular bit of paper isn't right for you. Is spending a year just to get a merit badge for persistence really worth it for everyone?

silly_moo

susancs wrote: »

I relation to numbers, I wonder if in reality they are challenging him. If for example you are stating that he can recite the numbers in ascending orders while this can be useful, it means little in itself. Children need to understand what the number system really means through play. One of the firstthings they have to learn is about conservation – that 3 is always 3 no matter how it is arranged or presented, whether it isthe number 3, the letters forthree, 3 bricks, 3 buttons on a coat. Before a child can understand numbers for things that can be seen s/he needsreal objects which can be seen and handled witha chance to check that the count is right each time.

Yes I agree that reciting numbers is not much of a skill but I never said this is what my son does. He can meaningfully count and do basic addition and subtraction up to 1000. He also knows that swapping digits will produce a different number. With smaller quantities he doesn't even need to count any more - he just looks at bricks/flowers etc and instantly knows how many there are. He does have a problem with counting when there are a lot of things but that is because he gets confused which ones he already counted and which ones he hasn't.

Lunar_Eclipse

I'm not sure why some people feel the need to be so rude, especially on a subject where they clearly have no experience.

There have been ridiculous comments about my husband dropping out of university. Since when is education, or government funding of any kind, based on following something through? Is it better to finish university with a useless (low grade) degree for instance than relinquish that funding to someone who is more keen? Of course not.

Everyone is entitled to make their own life choices, within legal limits. And thankfully in real life people are typically far less judgmental than those behind a computer screen here. Re: the Liverpool comments, they're way off the mark in terms of the underlying assumption about my background and how wealthy I am, except to say there are successful people from all walks of life.

Thank God my real life doesn't resemble a Jeremy Kyle drama.

Lunar_Eclipse

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You don't know anything about my husband's job so how do you know those who could rival him? If your definition of 'cushy' is simply working in a reasonably safe office environment for 12-15 hours a day then you're right. Otherwise, what makes you think they're cushy jobs (I didn't even say what my husband's job is so it's amazing you know it's cushy)?

And cushy compared to what exactly? Working on an oil rig away from family? Stacking shelves in a warehouse? Delivering post? Being a teacher?

Jagraf

By the time 'kids' get to university, they are adults. Adults in their own right, able to make their own decisions.

As adults, we all change direction, all of the time. I've moved house to be in a job I loathed, so I left the job. My husband started a degree, left after a year, worked for two years, then went back to uni to do a completely different degree. As adults, we all change our life paths, we remarry, we move countries then move back, we change jobs regularly.

I don't really see the difference with university - so long as there are reasons (legitimate to that adult only).

Lily-Rose_3

Each to their own, but I would be very disappointed and upset with my daughter if she dropped out of university now. She is just starting her third year, and as some people have said, it would be crazy to drop out now. I can't see the sense in it. I would be shocked at anyone supporting their young in doing this.

As daytona said earlier in the thread, (post 183,) people go through 11 years of compulsory education and get their GCSEs and then they spend 2 years at college getting good A levels. So to start university - which you do by CHOICE, in a subject YOU CHOSE, and then do 2 full years, and then drop out, is ridiculous.

I thank God my daughter has not made such a terrible life choice. I - and her father - would struggle with this. I can't fathom how can anyone can be OK with their young adult child dropping out of university, so far into their degree.

And I agree that it does make them seem like someone who can't commit, and yes as Daytona said; it will be a reflection on them for years to come.

I mean, if you have 2 people going for the same job, and they have the same sort of personality and A level results and the same skillset etc,... and one has completed their degree and got a first, and then got a masters and all that, and the other one dropped out of university after 2 years; who do you think the employer is going to pick?

From experience in my last job, I can tell you it will NOT be the one who dropped out.

Sure, people can still do OK, even after dropping out of university, but anyone saying it's not a bad thing to drop out is deluding themselves. It will follow you around for ages.


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