learner driver failed to merge onto 2 lane dual carriageway

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arcon5

Hermione_Granger wrote: »

Why do I get this mental picture of you in my head, lying on a hospital bed stating "but I did nothing wrong. I had right of way and even though I clearly saw that the other car was going to hit me, they should have stopped"

Because you're a drama queen.

arcon5

happyc84 wrote: »

Thanks for the comments, looks 50:50 for choices

Sorry should have said, I moved over to the outside lane to avoid the learner driver.

If the learner was on their test would they have passed or failed with this method of merging onto a dual carriageway?

You did nothing wrong.

You stayed in your line as you have the right to do so since the obligation is on the car joining the caraigeway to slot in.

In anticipation of another road user about to make a mistake you took defensive action by moving across and avoiding an incident.

But this incident does not mean you should or have to move over just to let somebody in. Personally I would. And anticipating an accident I definately would, but going back to your original post, any suggestion that you should take driving lessons is ridiculous.

custardy

happyc84 wrote: »

Hello, was minding my own business driving along dual carriageway, in the inside lane. A learner driver approached from an on-ramp. Failed to merge with my lane. My choices were either drop my speed or to pull over to the outside lane. Was surprised that they didn't match my speed and pull in behind me.

Should the learner ask for a refund, or should I book some new lessons if the rules have changed.

You mean the learner,who is learning?
So you would be prepared for them not to behave as expected.
sheesh.

Hintza

enfield_freddy wrote: »

why blame BMWs and Audi,s ,

Because he is jealous, thought that was fairly obvious

robbies_gal

i either try and move over or speed up/slowdown

they could have been really nervous or their first time out

Strider590

Roland_Sausage wrote: »

Not always possible, usually due to a BMW or Audi overtaking in the outside lane so preventing one from moving over.

Also in this area there's some ridiculously short slip roads where it's not possible to match the speed of the oncoming traffic.

I'm sorry, but if I can wind up a 1.8 Vectra to 40mph on a slip lane no more than 100ft long, to join a 40 limit dual carriageway, then i'm damn sure anyone else can. The problem around here is people don't know how to use the slip lanes, they drive right to the end of them, stop and then turn their heads 180 degrees to look for a HUGE gap.......... Then as soon as they've !!!!!!ed off I manage to slip into a gap between two cars doing 40. worst thing is when I round the corner to the slip lane, lined up for a gap between cars and then find some idiot stopped at the end, meaning I either have to drop anchor OR swerve around the moron.

People need to learn how to use a damn slip lane, they seem to cope on motorways, but somehow dual carriageways confuse them.

Joe_Horner

arcon5 wrote: »

But this incident does not mean you should or have to move over just to let somebody in.

No, you don't "have" to.

But, if you can - and the OP obviously could because he did when he realised they were running out of sliproad - then you should do it in plenty of time and before it becomes "avoiding action".

That's a matter of simple courtesy and a very simple defensive move against the possible situation where you have to do it suddenly and find that you can't.

In fact, the only reasons for not moving over early to let someone in if you have a safe lane to move into (which, again, the Op obviously had) are that you're not confident in changing lanes, you misread the closing speeds badly, or sheer bloody-mindedness in sticking to your "right of way".

In any of those cases you're probably more of a menace than the learner - at least he has a big sign on his car warning people what to expect

Joe_Horner

Roland_Sausage wrote: »

Not always possible, usually due to a BMW or Audi overtaking in the outside lane so preventing one from moving over.

Oi!

I've got a BMW (well, it's my wife's but I drive it a lot) and if I'm overtaking and see someone trying to join I'll either move over another lane (if 3+ lanes and safe) or ease up / boot it (depending on the situation) to let the guy in lane 1 move out.

Usually I'll have done one of the above before the guy in lane 1 shows any interest in moving over, or even any sign of noticing the joining traffic.

Then again, I also have indicators and I'm not afraid to use them :beer:

arcon5

custardy wrote: »

You mean the learner,who is learning?
So you would be prepared for them not to behave as expected.
sheesh.

Except op was prepared, hence why op moved over when the learner behaved unexpectedly.
You can huff and puff all you like but it doesn't change the fact op wasn't obliged to move out of courtesy and is clearly a good driver for taking action in light of anothers error.