Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Fella

We've reached the amusing & predictable stage where the Corbynistas (even those who detested him when he first got into power) now refuse to criticize literally anything he does, even when it's the very definition of undemocratic, something that OUGHT to appall them. An extremly foolish position to take, but unfortunately a position that's typical of his followers. Blind obsequience & shrill accusations of sour grapes or smearing any time anybody points out any of his very many failings.

The cult of Corbyn continues. The thing with these silly cults is they rarely last and never end well.

System

People who wouldn't vote Labour even if hell froze over very interested in their policies.

It's like a headline from the Daily Mash.

Fella

mrginge wrote: »

No sour grapes moby my dear, i’d just like to know what labours policies actually are.

Bland repetitive statements about how terrible the govt are are starting to wear a bit thin now. Be really nice to see some coherent strategy on the big ticket issues instead of just more ‘we’ll help the poor students and everyone will live in peace and harmony’.

Corbyn refuses to state a clear position on anything.

Just yesterday he refused to condemn illegal strikes countless times on the Marr show. You almost have to do a mental double-take that we have a would-be PM who refuses to condemn illegal strikes. Support illegal strikes by all means, if that's your thing, but don't harbour aspirations to be Prime Minister if so!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/858118/BBC-news-Jeremy-Corbyn-Andrew-Marr-illegal-protest-pay-cap-union-Labour-Party-conference

The reason he won't condemn illegal strikes is twofold. Firstly he's in McClusky's pocket. Secondly, he probably views illegal strikes as his best chance of causing enough disruption to the country to try to force another election.

Sums him up beautifully. Too reliant on Unions to criticize even the illegal actions they propose. But not honest enough to actually have the guts to say he supports them. Pitiful.

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

People who wouldn't vote Labour even if hell froze over very interested in their policies.

It's like a headline from the Daily Mash.

I’m more than happy to admit to voting labour on multiple occasions in the past.
And I would so so again I’d they were a credible option.

But pursuading potential floaters to switch isn’t what you’re interested in is it. And why would you. After all, the floaters actually think about things. No, what you want to do is hoover up anyone who can’t be arsed looking at the detail by promising them things that any sensible voter can see are totally unrealistic or unaffordable.

System

mrginge wrote: »

I’m more than happy to admit to voting labour on multiple occasions in the past.
And I would so so again I’d they were a credible option.

But pursuading potential floaters to switch isn’t what you’re interested in is it. And why would you. After all, the floaters actually think about things. No, what you want to do is hoover up anyone who can’t be arsed looking at the detail by promising them things that any sensible voter can see are totally unrealistic or unaffordable.

I spoilt my paper last time, Tory before that and Labour before that. I am one of those floating voters. I won't be voting Labour, whatever they promise, with Corbyn at the helm.

If you don't think he's credible and their policies are crap/ poorly defined then just vote for someone else. It's the hating I don't get - almost a fear he's not quite the irrelevance we once thought.

Not sure Tories calling labour a cult or communist party is really going to put much of a dent in their support.

Tromking

Fella wrote: »

Sums him up beautifully. Too reliant on Unions to criticize even the illegal actions they propose. But not honest enough to actually have the guts to say he supports them. Pitiful.

Corbyn and McDonnell are only re-establishing the traditional link with the Unions that the Blairites removed 25 years ago. It remains to be seen as to whether that will have a negative impact at the ballot box. I'm not sure the Tory cry of 'being in the unions pocket' has the cut through with the electorate it used to have.
I sense in austerity weary Britain that the Tories have a bigger problem with their closeness to the banks and business.

Fella

Tromking wrote: »

Corbyn and McDonnell are only re-establishing the traditional link with the Unions that the Blairites removed 25 years ago. It remains to be seen as to whether that will have a negative impact at the ballot box. I'm not sure the Tory cry of 'being in the unions pocket' has the cut through with the electorate it used to have.
I sense in austerity weary Britain that the Tories have a bigger problem with their closeness to the banks and business.

Well it's not really a Tory cry is it. The Labour party was founded by the unions & is funded by the unions. Blair had the sense to minimise their effect on the party which is why he won 3 huge election victories.

Corbyn is re-establishing the links that made the Labour party unpopular & unelectable. Nobody who remembers the 70s will view that without a shudder.

(Clearly Corbyn is banking on the fact that a lot of people don't).

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

I spoilt my paper last time, Tory before that and Labour before that. I am one of those floating voters. I won't be voting Labour, whatever they promise, with Corbyn at the helm.

If you don't think he's credible and their policies are crap/ poorly defined then just vote for someone else. It's the hating I don't get - almost a fear he's not quite the irrelevance we once thought.

I don't hate them and I don't want to just vote for someone else.
I'd like to have to make a positive choice.

I've heard a number of labour MPs be interviewed on their policies this weekend. Every single one has deflected questions and just ranted about the tories. It's like amateur hour !!!!!!.

You're right about fear though, because the bar is set so low at the moment that there is a real risk that we end up with a shambles on both sides for years and years.

Not sure Tories calling labour a cult or communist party is really going to put much of a dent in their support.

No I guess not, but then again the hypocrisy of some ex-blarites is breathtaking.

Filo25

I'm generally a Labour voter and indeed was a member at one stage, but they won't be getting my vote next time around if they replace the candidate they ran at the last election with a Corbynite loyalist (as I suspect they will).

The ducking of the Brexit vote is completely unsurprising, for the simple reason that Corbyn is a Eurosceptic and always has been, and the average member and Labour voter isn't.

Hilarious to see the new Labour commitment to democracy, where Momentum (with completely unelected leadership as far as I know) instruct their members how to vote, you couldn't make it up.

setmefree2

Khan waded into Labour’s Brexit row today with a call for the UK to stay in the single market after the two-year transition period was over. The Mayor questioned whether Brexit would in fact ever happen as “the goal-posts have moved” so much since last year’s vote to leave.
He said that if Britain’s departure it went ahead London would need a special deal on immigration so it could get “the lion’s share” of talent.


Mr Khan’s heavyweight intervention comes after Jeremy Corbyn supporters saw off an attempt to bind Labour to a policy of staying in the single market.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/sadiq-khan-wades-into-labour-brexit-row-with-single-market-demand-a3642691.html