Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Arklight

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Hardly the basis for a credible opposition party. Let's throw mud at others but won't show our own hand. Mrs May seems to have someone looking after her from above.......

Brexit is the toxic pill of the Tories' own making. They can't swallow it down, they can't cough it up.

As much as the government is desperate for Labour to state a policy on Brexit, because they can't agree on one themselves and it would give them something to argue against, there is no capital in Corbyn saying anything at the moment.

The purpose of an opposition is to oppose, and after a year of dithering the Tories are no closer to a Brexit policy.

I think he should start holding their feet to the fire over their inability to actually do anything, and I suspect that will happen after Conference.

Arklight

Rinoa wrote: »

He was on Marr this morning saying how he wanted to enpower the Labour membership.

Must be the shortest broken political promise on record.

Yes, the Labour membership feel terribly let down by Jeremy. I don't know how he has the gall to carry on.

Thrugelmir

Originally Posted by Arklight
Alternatively he's in charge of how this issue is managed in his party

Sometimes when given a shovel it's better to say nothing. Than simply dig a bigger hole from which to extract oneself. .

Tromking

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Do you think that the private sector is the place to be employed then?

I'm not sure that's a particularly relevant question, important public sector roles need to be performed. Incidentally a bit of a hiatus locally in the week, 400 patients being catered for by just two on duty doctors in our large local hospital.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

We aren't paying down the deficit by the way. The debt grows larger every year. We don't raise enough revenue to fund the amount we spend on an annual basis. That's the reality.

Nobody is denying that reality, why you feel the need to mention it ad infinitum I don't know.
This about how you eradicate deficit not whether its exists or not.

mrginge

Great to see the people's party really getting to grips with the key issues of the day.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41378928

After all, why go the bother of washing your dirty linen in public. Much better to stick to subjects you can all pat each other on the back about instead.

At least the tories play out their divisions and will end up at a compromised consensus. For labour it's the usual whitewash job.

Moby

mrginge wrote: »

Great to see the people's party really getting to grips with the key issues of the day.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41378928

After all, why go the bother of washing your dirty linen in public. Much better to stick to subjects you can all pat each other on the back about instead.

At least the tories play out their divisions and will end up at a compromised consensus. For labour it's the usual whitewash job.

Sour grapes because you've been denied an opportunity to say how split Labour are while the tories build their consensus.;)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-plotting-boris-johnson-philip-hammond-amber-rudd-david-davis-a7963926.html

The four most senior figures in Theresa May’s cabinet plotted to remove her following the botched June election, and some continued to plan for leadership bids even after pledging allegiance to her, according to a bombshell new political book.

Fella

A grim sign of how Labour under Corbyn behave. Suppressing debate even among their own members. Shameful.

Former shadow chancellor Chris Leslie said the outcome was "utterly ridiculous"

Former culture secretary Ben Bradshaw tweeted: "Keeping #Brexit, biggest issue of our time, off our #lab17 agenda is silly and undermines the claim that we are listening to our members."

Chuka Umunna, tweeted: "I can't believe no Brexit related motion is being debated at #Lab17 tomorrow. We should not be ducking this debate - we should be leading it."

Corbyn loves to get on stage at Glasto in front of a friendly crowd that's been primed full of Momentum supporters. But he's such a craven bully that he's afraid to face open debate even from his own MPs. What a pitiful excuse for a leader.

Moby

Fella wrote: »

A grim sign of how Labour under Corbyn behave. Suppressing debate even among their own members. Shameful.

Former shadow chancellor Chris Leslie said the outcome was "utterly ridiculous"

Former culture secretary Ben Bradshaw tweeted: "Keeping #Brexit, biggest issue of our time, off our #lab17 agenda is silly and undermines the claim that we are listening to our members."

Chuka Umunna, tweeted: "I can't believe no Brexit related motion is being debated at #Lab17 tomorrow. We should not be ducking this debate - we should be leading it."

Corbyn loves to get on stage at Glasto in front of a friendly crowd that's been primed full of Momentum supporters. But he's such a craven bully that he's afraid to face open debate even from his own MPs. What a pitiful excuse for a leader.

More sour grapes I see. John McDonnell did a very good interview on R4 describing the complexity of the issue. Nothing positive would be gained from a conference debate. The only types to get energy from it would be the haters. The actual delegates at the conference decided they will vote on: housing, social care, the NHS, rail services, workers’ rights, investment and growth, public sector pay and the Grenfell Tower disaster.

The eight issues scored more highly than Brexit in the party’s “priorities” ballot of party members and trade union affiliates.

If you feel so strongly about the priorities decided regarding the conference agenda, join the party. It's a broad church and you clearly have strong feelings about what Labour's policies are.;)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Moby wrote: »

Sour grapes because you've been denied an opportunity to say how split Labour are while the tories build their consensus.;)

Ahem.

"Labour conference: Brexit vote decision sparks anger"

Pro-EU Labour MPs have expressed anger after no Brexit motions were chosen to be voted on at party conference.

Pro-EU Labour MPs have expressed anger after no Brexit motions were chosen to be voted on at party conference.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41378928


"Labour 'ducked biggest issue of the day' by avoiding Brexit debate at party's Brighton conference, MPs warn"

Labour reduced to 'laughing stock' by dodging issue

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/25/labour-conference-brexit-live/
(Paywalled but you will get the idea.)

"Brexit Rows Could Tear Labour In Two, Warns Party’s Election Chief Andrew Gwynne"

.... with Labour MPs Caroline Flint and Clive Lewis already clashing on the airwaves over freedom of movement, and an activist-led protest against party General Secretary Iain McNicol, there is a danger the four-day conference could descend into infighting.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-brexit-row-andrew-gwynne_uk_59c7b9fbe4b06ddf45f87e38

mrginge

No sour grapes moby my dear, i’d just like to know what labours policies actually are.

Bland repetitive statements about how terrible the govt are are starting to wear a bit thin now. Be really nice to see some coherent strategy on the big ticket issues instead of just more ‘we’ll help the poor students and everyone will live in peace and harmony’.

Perhaps as you are now a high ranking committee member in the communist party of Great Britain you can help the rest of us out?