Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Rusty_Shackleton

There's also a world of difference between hoping for the collapse of government as in, torys stabbing each other in the back leading to a vote of no confidence triggering a GE, and the actual COLLAPSE of government like you'd see in the third world.

But those that hate corbyn need a caricature of him and his supporters because theres actually nothing objectionable about him. Once you cut through the fabrications and spite, he's actually just a decent and caring old man, no matter what you think of his politics. Its exactly why areas he held rallys (including areas he wasnt expecting to do well) had a great vote share for lab. People see him for themselves, and people like him. A lot. And that scares a lot of people who see him only through the lens of the daily mail.

Rusty_Shackleton

qExactly, if you're a die hard tory supporter, surely you'd be cheering Corbyn on since you think he makes lab unelectable. Maybe there's something more to it...

zarf2007

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

There's also a world of difference between hoping for the collapse of government as in, torys stabbing each other in the back leading to a vote of no confidence triggering a GE, and the actual COLLAPSE of government like you'd see in the third world.

But those that hate corbyn need a caricature of him and his supporters because theres actually nothing objectionable about him. Once you cut through the fabrications and spite, he's actually just a decent and caring old man, no matter what you think of his politics. Its exactly why areas he held rallys (including areas he wasnt expecting to do well) had a great vote share for lab. People see him for themselves, and people like him. A lot. And that scares a lot of people who see him only through the lens of the daily mail.

delusional nonsense, the only person corbyn cares about is the one he sees in the mirror. Man of the people? maybe he and 'Red Len McCluskey' can compare their £750K+ London properties whilst quaffing champagne with that other sellout Shami Chakrabarti, true socialists eh?

Rusty_Shackleton

zarf2007 wrote: »

delusional nonsense, the only person corbyn cares about is the one he sees in the mirror. Man of the people? maybe he and 'Red Len McCluskey' can compare their £750K+ London properties whilst quaffing champagne with that other sellout Shami Chakrabarti, true socialists eh?

Oh come off it, you can't accuse somebody of being rich because they own a house in London, that they've owned for decades. There are lots of people working menial jobs in London who are lucky enough to be in the same situation, they only really gain that wealth in practice if they sell up and move away from the capital. As for your accusation that he only cares about himself, if that were true, he'd have played the game for the past 40 years and gotten himself a more senior cabinet/shadow cabinet position long ago. He didn't, he was a thorn in the side of the people who could help him progress his career. That's called having principles, something I suspect you know nothing about.

Besides which, why do you believe a rich person can't be a socialist? Just because you might be selfish enough to only ever vote according to what benefits you financially, doesn't mean others have the same mentality. How about rather than than 'delusional nonsense' you try forming a sentence that explains what you believe to be the case.

zarf2007

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

why do you believe a rich person can't be a socialist? Just because you might be selfish enough to only ever vote according to what benefits you financially, doesn't mean others have the same mentality. How about rather than than 'delusional nonsense' you try forming a sentence that explains what you believe to be the case.

Because it's very easy to have these beliefs when you have a privileged life and don't have the first clue about being a working class person. What annoys the hell out of me is Yvette Cooper, Corbyn and those other fools have had a privileged life from day 1, private or grammar schools, university then into a cushy MP job paying them a decent wage.

They have never worked hard in their life....What does YC have in common with some kid from an inner London sink estate? oh but she really 'gets' their struggle doesn't she....Then you have Dianne Abbott slagging off the tories grammar schools plan as divisive yet sending her own child to a private school....utter hypocrite.

If Corbyn was such a man of the people why didn't he offer a spare room to any of the Grenfell residents? no but he can shout about taking away property from its rightful owners.

GreatApe

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

qExactly, if you're a die hard tory supporter, surely you'd be cheering Corbyn on since you think he makes lab unelectable. Maybe there's something more to it...

In democracies power changes hands frequently and our democracy is a two party system.

At some point it will swing the other way, almost irrespective of who is in power.

To that end Corbyn is a disaster waiting to possibly happen.

The good news is the man is 68 years old, in 5 years time he will be 73 so if he does not win then he has lost for good the grim reaper will take care of him

The bad news is if he manages to turn labor into a hard left party before he departs then its only a matter of time before the uk votes them in

Rusty_Shackleton

zarf2007 wrote: »

Because it's very easy to have these beliefs when you have a privileged life and don't have the first clue about being a working class person. What annoys the hell out of me is Yvette Cooper, Corbyn and those other fools have had a privileged life from day 1, private or grammar schools, university then into a cushy MP job paying them a decent wage.

They have never worked hard in their life....What does YV have in common with some kid from an inner London sink estate? oh but she really 'gets' their struggle doesn't she....Then you have Dianne Abbott slagging off the tories grammar schools plan as divisive yet sending her own child to a private school....utter hypocrite.

People can research, they can know others in different situations, and they can empathise. I grew up in a lower middle class household but in a very deprived area. I've never personally known poverty. That doesn't mean I haven't seen the lives of friends in far less fortunate situations, and it doesn't mean I can't vote with them genuinely in mind. Some people from a relatively privileged background can take time to think of others - have you considered that some MPs have been selected and elected precisely because they genuinely do care, and their constituents can see it?

Labour have been out of power for 7 years, if they don't call the shots about the state education system, then it's not hypocrisy for them to avoid sending their kids there. If they did, you could just as easily accuse them of hypocrisy for saying the torys are crap at running the education system. This has absolutely nothing to do with the grammar school debate by the way.

zarf2007 wrote: »

If Corbyn was such a man of the people why didn't he offer a spare room to any of the Grenfell residents? no but he can shout at taking away property from its rightful owners.

For a start, Corbyn will have policy protection, so you're introducing a security issue. Also, what poor Grenfell survivor wants to be hounded by the tabloids as Corbyns lodger? You're an imbecile if you think Corbyn offering a room in his house is a practical option.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

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I see our dear Moby has been PPRed - you got to love those lefties and their kinder, gentler politics.

setmefree2

No longer an also-ran, Corbyn hits campaign trail

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-politics-corbyn-idUKKCN1B21LT


Keep it up Jeremy - nothing will instill loyalty into the Eurosceptic Tory Rebels like the threat of a Corbyn government....

System

setmefree2 wrote: »

Keep it up Jeremy - nothing will instill loyalty into the Eurosceptic Tory Rebels like the threat of a Corbyn government....

Once the Tories get the Europe goggles on the red mist descends and they can't help themselves.