Corbynomics: A Dystopia

antrobus

Moby wrote: »

... Where's Rugged.......... we need him/her on here giving the Corbyn perspective to spice the thread up!

I think Rugged gave up when I pointed out to him that Corbyn wanted to retain the triple lock on state pensions even longer than the Cons had promised.

Moby

antrobus wrote: »

Wilson lost in 1970 and didn't resign. Kinnock lost in 1982 and didn't resign.

I'd guess it depends on how badly Corbyn loses. (Assuming he does lose.) There must be some level of electoral disaster which would embarass even that nice Mr Corbyn.



It's a tough question. One that many Labour voters must be asking themselves. Do I stay at home on the 8th June, (or even vote Con/Lib Dem/whatever) and hasten the demise of Corbyn, in the hope of a future revival. Or do I vote Labour and risk the nightmare continuing.

Or perhaps it will make no soddin difference if the polls are even a bit right.:)

It is a tough call for the reasons you give....but sometimes the local issues and qualities of the local candidates can help you make your mind up.

Rotor

antrobus wrote: »

Wilson lost in 1970 and didn't resign. Kinnock lost in 1982 and didn't resign.

I'd guess it depends on how badly Corbyn loses. (Assuming he does lose.) There must be some level of electoral disaster which would embarass even that nice Mr Corbyn.


It's not so much about winning, for corbyn, as furthering the 'project' of consolidating the changing of the Labour party to a 'proper' socialist party
If he does badly he may well announce his resignation -- which will happen after the party conference in September and after a vote by the membership to change the selection rules.

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/19/yvette-cooper-pmqs-labour-mps-theresa-may Cooper used to shadow May as Home Sec. and often got the better of her.

antrobus

Rotor wrote: »

...It's not so much about winning, for corbyn, as furthering the 'project' of consolidating the changing of the Labour party to a 'proper' socialist party
If he does badly he may well announce his resignation -- which will happen after the party conference in September and after a vote by the membership to change the selection rules.

That's exactly the problem.:)

But there still must be some level of electoral disaster that impacts on even the most deluded Corbynite. What happens if Labour lose a 100+ seats? What happens if they poll under 20%? I'm not saying those things are going to happen, but you never know.

antrobus

Moby wrote: »

It is a tough call for the reasons you give....but sometimes the local issues and qualities of the local candidates can help you make your mind up.

Yes, I would guess that it would depend on who your Labour candidate was.

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/19/yvette-cooper-pmqs-labour-mps-theresa-may Cooper used to shadow May as Home Sec. and often got the better of her.

I can remember the days when William Hague often got the better of Tony Blair at PMQs. Fat lot of good that did him.:)

Rotor

Then to blame,in order of preference for Corbynistas/momentum, will be

a/ Main stream media

b/ disloyalty/disunity of Blairite MPs

c/ Naivety and gullibility of the sheeple 'turkeys voting for xmas'

d/ Jeremy Corbyn not quite pitched it right - just needs a more charismatic hard left candidate

e/ Joking - not e - NEVER e - that there is no main stream appetite in the British electorate for hard core socialist policies.

antrobus

Rotor wrote: »

Then to blame,in order of preference for Corbynistas/momentum, will be

a/ Main stream media

b/ disloyalty/disunity of Blairite MPs...

Those excuses have already been trotted out.:)

John McDonnell says that the Labour leadership has been embroiled in a “360 degree struggle to survive” in the face of repeated attacks in the media and anonymous briefings.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/03/labour-caught-in-struggle-to-survive-media-attacks-says-john-mcdonnell

John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, issued a call for unity to Labour MPs in the week of the budget, saying there should be contrition all round – including from himself – over infighting that has dogged the party in recent months
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/06/john-mcdonnell-labour-unity-budget-philip-hammond

Rotor wrote: »

...c/ Naivety and gullibility of the sheeple 'turkeys voting for xmas'...

That will get trotted out by the 'activists'. They can get quite upset.

Rotor wrote: »

..d/ Jeremy Corbyn not quite pitched it right - just needs a more charismatic hard left candidate...

It would be hard to find a less charismatic hard left candidate. That one might work.

Rotor wrote: »

...e/ Joking - not e - NEVER e - that there is no main stream appetite in the British electorate for hard core socialist policies.

As far as I can see there is no mainstream appetite in any European electorate for "hard core socialist policies". Apart from Greece. And a fat lot of good it did them voting for Syriza. All the Greeks got was more austerity and no socialism, hard core or otherwise.

Thrugelmir

antrobus wrote: »

It's a tough question. One that many Labour voters must be asking themselves. Do I stay at home on the 8th June, (or even vote Con/Lib Dem/whatever) and hasten the demise of Corbyn, in the hope of a future revival. Or do I vote Labour and risk the nightmare continuing.

Or perhaps it will make no soddin difference if the polls are even a bit right.:)

Express your view. A vote not cast is a wasted vote.

antrobus

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Express your view. A vote not cast is a wasted vote.

I have every intention of expressing my view on the 8th June. (And on the 4th May, as it happens.) It will be something along the lines of a request that Corbyn goes forth and multiplies ASAP.

He may not take any notice. But I will do my best.:)