Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Thrugelmir

mrginge wrote: »

But then I think do the tories want to go up against anyone other than Corbyn?

Not sure it matters. Blair won as he had the foresight to strike an alliance with Brown. Thereby unifying the party together. Don't see any partnership of a similar ilk anytime soon.

setmefree2

Owen Jones: I’d find it hard to vote for Corbyn

Oh dear. Earlier this week, Mr S reported that Derek Hatton — the ‘socialist firebrand’ who joined Labour with the Trotskyist group Militant (before being expelled) — had turned on Jeremy Corbyn. The former Corbynite said the Labour leader’s Article 50 stance showed ‘a real lack of leadership’.
In a further sign that Corbyn is losing support among the hard left, Owen Jones has used an interview with the Standard to declare that he would ‘find it hard to vote for Corbyn’. Jones, who originally championed Corbyn’s leadership bid, has been critical of the Labour leader of late — but did still vote for him in the most recent leadership election. Alas he’s not so sure he would do it again:

‘The Left has failed badly. I’d find it hard to vote for Corbyn.’

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/owen-jones-id-find-hard-vote-corbyn/

setmefree2

One of Jeremy Corbyn's shadow ministers has received £180,000 from a firm with links to the Chinese state. Barry Gardiner, who served as a Northern Ireland and Trade minister under the Labour government, got the cash to pay for staff costs. Mr Gardiner ...

Links : all over the internet.

mrginge

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Not sure it matters. Blair won as he had the foresight to strike an alliance with Brown. Thereby unifying the party together. Don't see any partnership of a similar ilk anytime soon.

Probably not, but at the same time why risk trying to find out?

The rats are already deserting...

antrobus

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Not sure it matters. Blair won as he had the foresight to strike an alliance with Brown. Thereby unifying the party together. Don't see any partnership of a similar ilk anytime soon.

Blair and Brown where both 'modernisers' in terms of the Labour Party of the 1990s. Their 'alliance' had nothing to with politics or policy and everything to do with their respective ambitions. The basics of the Granita Pact of the 31st May 1994 was that, Blair got a clear run at the leadership, whilst Brown was promised that he would get to decide economic and social policy in any future Labour government.

As it turned out, Brown also persuaded himself that Blair had promised to leave after two terms, which is why, after 2005 the two fell out, there was civil war in the Party, which eventually led to Brown being crowned leader in 2007.

What has been happening in the Labour Party since 2015 is something quite different. That twonk Miliband came up with the idea of £3 memberships, and as a result every neo-Trotskyite and leftie firebrand in the country signed up in order to get Corbyn elected as leader.

As a result, the Labour Party is now in a position where 80% of the PLP think he is a bigger twonk than the Milibean, but have come to realise there is nothing much they can do about it until the membership either changes or stops being delusional. This is more like where the party was in the 1980s when they composed the longest suicide note in history back in 1983.

Thrugelmir

antrobus wrote: »

Their 'alliance' had nothing to with politics or policy and everything to do with their respective ambitions. The basics of the Granita Pact of the 31st May 1994 was that, Blair got a clear run at the leadership, whilst Brown was promised that he would get to decide economic and social policy in any future Labour government.

However you paint the picture. The alliance knitted the various factions of the party together. To create to the outside world the respectability of unity. Which made Labour an electable party after being in the wilderness. The reform that Blair hoped for, has simply turned to dust. Now as the party has turned inwards. Seems hopelessly out of touch with the modern world.

antrobus

Thrugelmir wrote: »

However you paint the picture. The alliance knitted the various factions of the party together. To create to the outside world the respectability of unity. Which made Labour an electable party after being in the wilderness. The reform that Blair hoped for, has simply turned to dust. Now as the party has turned inwards. Seems hopelessly out of touch with the modern world.

Blair and Brown were both members of the same faction. Their alliance did not knit anything together. It was simply necessary because John Smith had just died. Labour was already 15-20 points or so ahead in the polls at the time, and had been since Black Wednesday in 1992, and was pretty well united when Smith was in charge.

I don't really see that as being comparable to today's state of play, were Labour is 15 points or so behind in the polls, and appear to be in a complete shambles.

chris_m

antrobus wrote: »

What has been happening in the Labour Party since 2015 is something quite different. That twonk Miliband came up with the idea of £3 memberships, and as a result every neo-Trotskyite and leftie firebrand in the country signed up in order to get Corbyn elected as leader.

Plus, IIRC, more than a few non-Labour supporters - who felt that £3 was a bargain to get the worst candidate elected.

setmefree2

'Real fight starts now': Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit tweet prompts bruising response

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/09/real-fight-starts-now-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-tweet

wotsthat

Theresa May must be quite pleased. Her Brexit bill seems to be going through pretty well and the media are mainly interested in Labour. The same Labour which has very little impact on anything and are unlikely to win an election whether it be now or 2020.