Corbynomics: A Dystopia

pop_gun

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

But you have to steel yourself against shrill cries of RACISM if you wish the country's laws to be applied. How many years had that charming Mr Rahman been running Tower Hamlets along the lines of a medieval Bengali fiefdom before a Labour councillor had the balls to call him out? The official report into the Rotherham scandal explicitly stated that fear of racism accusations prevented officials from looking into the victims' allegations.

Also, what do you think happens if you report abuse of horses in a traveller camp? I'll give you a clue, it doesn't involve the removal of suffering animals, fines and ownership bans.

Are you saying you want to remove some or all legislation in regard to protecting minorities from institutional racism?

I understand where you're going with this. You ignore the legitimate argument for positive discrimination (even though it's rarely enforced) and bang on about your right to free speech.
With free speech comes responsibility. We have libel laws with this in mind.

Legislation is a balancing act and the greater good has to be weighed against any imperfections.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Totally wrong to say cultural diversity was praised in an unqualified way. If you are asserting this show me the proof! Every training I have been on, every policy I have seen in almost 30 years in public service celebrates cultural diversity but has never ever defended FGM, forced marriages, honour killings etc.

the point is that cultural diversity was indeed praised but FGM, forced marriages, honour killings were ignored. No-one is claiming they were 'defended' other than by total silence on the subject.

IMO you are confusing an awareness of such issues for an acceptance of them! Also please be aware that the people who are in the front line over challenging such medieval practices and attitudes are often the very same people you condemn for being excessively PC or 'turning a blind eye' to abuse. We live in a multi cultural society whether we like it or not and THIS IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. You either work with people and try to take them with you or you create hostility and division....which is it?

If your 'working with people' is to accept their views then hostility is the better option. Over 90% of the muslim community would not say 'Je Suis Charlie' ; do you approve, confront the situation or simply ignore it ?

TrickyTree83

pop_gun wrote: »

Are you saying you want to remove some or all legislation in regard to protecting minorities from institutional racism?

I understand where you're going with this. You ignore the legitimate argument for positive discrimination (even though it's rarely enforced) and bang on about your right to free speech.
With free speech comes responsibility. We have libel laws with this in mind.

Legislation is a balancing act and the greater good has to be weighed against any imperfections.

Libel laws apply across the board, and favour none above the other. Perfectly reasonable.

Legislation is not a balancing act when it comes to discrimination, positive or negative. It simply should not discriminate at all!

What's happened is that "hate speech" as legislated has been perverted and weaponised against the truth. And the left stand behind it like a perverse moral duty instead of recognising that it's also unacceptable.

"West Indian mothers go to the wall for their children."

As Andrew Neil says, is that to say that white mothers do not? No answer from Abbott.

"White people love playing divide and rule."

Abbott engaging in overt racism. Why is she still an MP?

"You can't just speak to Uncle-Tom's."

Sidique Khan engaging in overt racism. I bet Londoners are proud.

"Too many white men on the TfL board."

Sidique Khan again engaging in overt racism. Another reason to be proud.

"Islamophobe!"

"Racist!"

The only people making race an issue, are the left. The tears over diversity is just a power play, merit and ability should determine the seniority you enjoy, not the colour of your skin or the religion you follow.

It's a bloody disgrace.

And when people rightly call out the minorities on their failings somehow the speakers are the bad people? Give me a break.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

pop_gun wrote: »

Are you saying you want to remove some or all legislation in regard to protecting minorities from institutional racism?

I'm saying if a vulnerable young girl is brave enough to report sexual assualt to the authorities, her claim should be investigated. The ethnicity of the alleged attackers (and victim) should have NO bearing on the case, and it's a bloody disgrace that we've got ourselves into the situation where people are more worried about an accusation of racism in the workplace than investigating clear patterns of sexual abuse. It's a sorry state of affairs if Nick Griffin ends up being proven right.

pop_gun

setmefree2 wrote: »

Here we are again talking about minorities - the only ground on which the left feel comfortable.....

Don't feel like thinking today?

TrickyTree83

pop_gun wrote: »

Don't feel like thinking today?

That's a bit rich when you disregard the argument for an egalitarian approach to society by sticking by your "liberal" left prejudices and equating me to a granny basher stealing sweets out of the mouths of children, what a joke.

pop_gun

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

I'm saying if a vulnerable young girl is brave enough to report sexual assualt to the authorities, her claim should be investigated. The ethnicity of the alleged attackers (and victim) should have NO bearing on the case, and it's a bloody disgrace that we've got ourselves into the situation where people are more worried about an accusation of racism in the workplace than investigating clear patterns of sexual abuse. It's a sorry state of affairs if Nick Griffin ends up being proven right.

There's no such thing as a perfect world.

You, TrickyTree83, Clapton and co are just casting around for someone to blame, for your lot in life. The deep seated anger and resentment running through your collective posts can be cured by hard work, discipline and patience. This will give you perspective and teach you nothing in this life is free. Indeed, nothing worth having is.

seven-day-weekend

Moby wrote: »

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Straw man argument. I was talking about cultural sensitivity as being a good thing for social cohesion.

You talk about cultural sensitivity and then talk about 'assimilation'.Wrong terminology! Try 'diversity' and accepting difference instead and you'll move a bit more into the 21st century;)


How far any society goes in defending minority rights to the cost of the majority is a huge issue. I generally think we have it about right in this country. France and the USA have had more problems in recent years and have suffered a backlash that we have avoided at present because our police etc have made big strides. The 'Prevent' strategy brought in by Labour to train people working with ethnic minorities to watch out for radicalisation is generally very successful!


Generally agreed but positive discrimination was a reaction against a society which is unequal.....at least be more aware of the main issue if you are going to assert that positive discrimination is not the answer.

But if that is what we need to do then we ALL need to do it. If I am accepting of another's religious and cultural differences, then they also should do the same for mine.

But it is only expected to be a one-way street (I have to accept theirs, they don't have to accept mine).

TrickyTree83

pop_gun wrote: »

There's no such thing as a perfect world.

You, TrickyTree83, Clapton and co are just casting around for someone to blame, for your lot in life. The deep seated anger and resentment running through your collective posts can be cured by hard work, discipline and patience. This will give you perspective and teach you nothing is this life is free. Indeed, nothing worth having is.

The anger is with this pious attitude from so called "liberals" who find it OK to impinge on others liberty in the name of political correctness. If the police didn't feel oppressed in this way then the government report wouldn't have said it was institutional political correctness that contributed to the length of time to bring the !!!!!phile gangs to justice. Do you not see? No one is looking for someone or something to blame. We know who and what it is.

CLAPTON

pop_gun wrote: »

There's no such thing as a perfect world.

You, TrickyTree83, Clapton and co are just casting around for someone to blame, for your lot in life. The deep seated anger and resentment running through your collective posts can be cured by hard work, discipline and patience. This will give you perspective and teach you nothing is this life is free. Indeed, nothing worth having is.

maybe you could post up one of my contributions that support a single item of your nonsense

so something that justifies
-that I 'blame' anyone for my (rather comfortable) lot in life
-that I have any problem with hard work, discipline and patience
-that I have suggested I think anything in life is free