Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Moby

wotsthat wrote: »

Labour have learnt nothing from the Ed Miliband experience. When someone is an obvious vote loser there's no point waiting and hoping they'll receive a personality transplant or that things will turn around after a local election, party conference et al.

It's a nightmare....the membership backs him ....while the wider electorate sees he's no leader. We have to get shot of him but there's still time!

wotsthat

Moby wrote: »

It's a nightmare....the membership backs him ....while the wider electorate sees he's no leader. We have to get shot of him but there's still time!

Maybe he'll resign later today.

Third place behind the SNP & the Tories in Scotland - I'd do one!

mwpt

Labour would probably get my vote if they became a sensible party with real policies rather than campaigning by negative sentiment about "vile Tories". I don't have any feelings of antipathy to Corbyn but I just don't see him offering sensible policies to take back the centre left.

Here is what I'd like to see from them:
- An actual actionable plan on housing market. Not just demand side stimulus but carrot and stick incentives for builders and councils. Something that we can judge on merits rather than "we will build x houses" bs.

- Specify exactly how you plan to go about reducing the deficit. If you don't plan on "austerity" in the form of welfare spending cuts, where will you cut? Or how will you raise the funds. Maths is maths and I want to hear how you plan on making the maths work, not just attacks on another parties spending cuts.

- Actionable and testable plan for starting along the path toward a non means tested basic income for all citizens. Long term goal being only very special cases (ie. truly disabled or impaired people) get extra benefits. Long term plan to scrap housing benefit causing people to sit in central London being unproductive.

I do not regard these policies as right wing. I regard them as centre left with a pragmatic approach.

The Tories sort of reflect my views on how the economy should be run but fall short in many ways and just shoot themselves in the foot with their half hearted stupidity. I cannot bring myself to vote for them while the blow housing bubbles and inflate rich people's assets while peeing around with clumsy attempts to reform a skewed incentive welfare system. Right to buy?!!!! !!!!!!.

Filo25

As you say mwpt, there's only so often you can listen to people say how many houses they will build with few specifics before you really start to lose interest.

westernpromise

The four most cheering words in the English language: Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.

gadgetmind

Corbyn confidently predicted that Labour wouldn't lose any Council seats, which show how out of touch with the voting public he is.

antrobus

wotsthat wrote: »

Maybe he'll resign later today....

Nah.:)

wotsthat wrote: »

...Third place behind the SNP & the Tories in Scotland - I'd do one!

I see that Labour were marginally ahead in terms of the consitutency vote share (22.6% v 22.0%) but well behind in terms of the regional vote share (19.1% v 22.9%) . Conclusion, the problem is with the party and not the candidates.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2016/scotland/results

westernpromise

vivatifosi wrote: »

The Tories are split over Europe and Labour is failing to do what any good opposition should do and keep them on the ropes.

That's because Labour are themselves split on literally everything as well as on Europe. They're split on Europe, they're split on Jews, they're split on defence, they're split on whether they're a Marxist party or a Trotskyite one and their MPs despise their leader while the grassroots think he's great.

As Socrates said, a disorderly mob is no more an army than a heap of building materials is a house.

There is a real danger that the Tories will drift to the right

There isn't the least danger of that in a month of Sundays. The Tories won in 2015 from the centre by seeing off the UKIP loonies on the hard right and the Labour loonies on the hard left. There is simply no way the Tories are going to vacate the centre now because to do so will enable Labour to reoccupy that space. Right now, the hard left space is all there is for Labour and they're unelectable there.

the middle ground where elections are normally won or lost has the potential to be a wasteland, especially considering what has happened to the Lib Dems. Am I alone in finding this scary?

Since the middle ground is where elections are won from it's not going to be a wasteland. The LibDems weren't a middle ground party either, they were well to the left of Blair except where it suitd them to be hard right. Vince Cable was ex-Labour and who can forget Simon Hughes, the "straight choice" (fnarr! fnarr!) for Bermondsey?

westernpromise

wotsthat wrote: »

Maybe he'll resign later today.

Third place behind the SNP & the Tories in Scotland - I'd do one!

It would make no difference. The party would re-elect him (or McDonnell or someone) and if he failed to get nominated in the first place then it'd be a blatant stitch up in which the winner would be someone who came a bad second or third on 10 or 15% of the last poll in September after the popular candidate had been manipulated off the ballot.

The Tories would have huge fun twitting someone like that as having no mandate from anyone. In any case, the damage to Labour is now well and truly done. Any leader after Corbyn can be accurately painted as the hostage and puppet of a party that actually wants another Corbyn. It'll be Kinnochio all over again, and then as now it will also be absolutely true.

antrobus

vivatifosi wrote: »

...There is a real danger that the Tories will drift to the right, ...

National Living Wage, Stamp Duty surcharge, BTL interest restrictions.....