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Corbynomics: A Dystopia
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I'm more than happy to discuss the issues. What I'm not happy with us you making up statements, suggesting that I made them or agree with them, and ask me to defend them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_manI am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
cells wrote:I was wondering how long until government databases or social media draw a family tree whereby we can all trace our link to everyone else on the planet
Of course we are all related as we are the same species but for a lot of the world going back more than 3-4-5 generations is lost in the fog of time but with computers there will be no loss in family data anymore
Not that easy. Thankfully. Firstly, computer data is lost all the time. A lot of information entered into computers in the 70s, probably 80s and 90s has been lost because we no longer have computers that have the necessary hardware and/or software to read it. Or to be strictly accurate, no-one is ever going to put the effort in to retrieve the data and convert it. There are archive projects that use old computers to convert such information but they can't get everything. Even when "the cloud" takes hardware out of the equation there will still be the question of software formats.
Where is family tree data stored? On whichever UK government server holds the census data, I guess. But if you're a recent immigrant from India, where is yours stored? On an antique government server in New Dehli? Almost certainly using a different database format to the UK. Social media data is woefully inadequate - I haven't bothered to tell Facebook what relationship I have with any of my "friends". There would also be huge privacy implications if anyone tried to get Facebook to release the data to a genealogy database.
The idea of a massive ID database containing everyone on earth is a bit of a bureaucrat's pipe dream, and contradicts the question at the heart of modern data protection laws: "who needs to know". There is simply no reason to connect up the UK census database with the Indian census database and the Facebook friends-list database with all of the privacy and data security implications that would entail. If someone wants to research their family tree they're still free to search through those sources on an individual basis.0 -
Malthusian wrote: »Not that easy. Thankfully. Firstly, computer data is lost all the time. A lot of information entered into computers in the 70s, probably 80s and 90s has been lost because we no longer have computers that have the necessary hardware and/or software to read it. Or to be strictly accurate, no-one is ever going to put the effort in to retrieve the data and convert it. There are archive projects that use old computers to convert such information but they can't get everything. Even when "the cloud" takes hardware out of the equation there will still be the question of software formats.
Where is family tree data stored? On whichever UK government server holds the census data, I guess. But if you're a recent immigrant from India, where is yours stored? On an antique government server in New Dehli? Almost certainly using a different database format to the UK. Social media data is woefully inadequate - I haven't bothered to tell Facebook what relationship I have with any of my "friends". There would also be huge privacy implications if anyone tried to get Facebook to release the data to a genealogy database.
The idea of a massive ID database containing everyone on earth is a bit of a bureaucrat's pipe dream, and contradicts the question at the heart of modern data protection laws: "who needs to know". There is simply no reason to connect up the UK census database with the Indian census database and the Facebook friends-list database with all of the privacy and data security implications that would entail. If someone wants to research their family tree they're still free to search through those sources on an individual basis.
why do we need such a DB
all educated people know that that all living things have a common genetic origin
nothing special about our 'human' genetic connections
anyway being genetically related to people has never stopped wars and killing : indeed some of the most vicious killing have been within family groups and civil wars.0 -
Malthusian wrote: »Not that easy. Thankfully. Firstly, computer data is lost all the time. A lot of information entered into computers in the 70s, probably 80s and 90s has been lost because we no longer have computers that have the necessary hardware and/or software to read it. Or to be strictly accurate, no-one is ever going to put the effort in to retrieve the data and convert it. There are archive projects that use old computers to convert such information but they can't get everything. Even when "the cloud" takes hardware out of the equation there will still be the question of software formats.
Where is family tree data stored? On whichever UK government server holds the census data, I guess. But if you're a recent immigrant from India, where is yours stored? On an antique government server in New Dehli? Almost certainly using a different database format to the UK. Social media data is woefully inadequate - I haven't bothered to tell Facebook what relationship I have with any of my "friends". There would also be huge privacy implications if anyone tried to get Facebook to release the data to a genealogy database.
The idea of a massive ID database containing everyone on earth is a bit of a bureaucrat's pipe dream, and contradicts the question at the heart of modern data protection laws: "who needs to know". There is simply no reason to connect up the UK census database with the Indian census database and the Facebook friends-list database with all of the privacy and data security implications that would entail. If someone wants to research their family tree they're still free to search through those sources on an individual basis.
It is a very good point.
Most people these days couldn't access data stored on a VHS, LP, Betamax, SNES, photographic slide, Super 8, cassette, 3.5" or 5.25" floppy disk and those were extremely popular storage media of their time.
My first CV and my dissertation were written in the 90s using a software package called GEM. No way can I access either of them.
Anyone who has data on a laserdisk or a DAT or a 2" disk might as well have written it in cuneiform on a slice of ham.0 -
Most people these days couldn't access data stored on a VHS, LP, Betamax, SNES, photographic slide, Super 8, cassette, 3.5" or 5.25" floppy disk and those were extremely popular storage media of their time.
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Anyone who has data on a laserdisk or a DAT or a 2" disk might as well have written it in cuneiform on a slice of ham.
I have recovered data from 7 of those on your list in the last five years, and have a computer with a 3.5" drive, a 3" drive, and twin 5.25" drives to allow this. I can also do complex data recovery from corrupted floppies, and have copies of most of the backup utilities used in the 80s and 90s. I can also run many old software programs under emulators to handle proprietary file formats.
I do this for a hobby, and have at times spent three months writing custom code to piece together corrupted floppy images from badly damaged disks.
I know you said "most people" but you only need one!I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
And what's a 2" disk? Never met that one, 3" is as small as I go, but I do have an 8" drive that still works.
I also have an Iomega ZIP drive or two, and it was terminal failure of these that forced me to go diving for data on 25 yo floppies.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
gadgetmind wrote: »And what's a 2" disk? Never met that one, 3" is as small as I go, but I do have an 8" drive that still works.
I also have an Iomega ZIP drive or two, and it was terminal failure of these that forced me to go diving for data on 25 yo floppies.
It was a picture/video format.0 -
It was a picture/video format.
This one.
http://www.obsoletemedia.org/2-inch-floppy-disk-video-floppy/
And look there's a whole Museum Of Obsolete Media! There are hundreds of the foxin things!0 -
I see the age old politics trick has worked. Repeat something often enough and it becomes accepted wisdom.
I employ people on graduate salaries. They buy houses. I'll repeat this if you like, but I shouldn't have to.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
And look there's a whole Museum Of Obsolete Media! There are hundreds of the foxin things!
And 99% of them from Sony?I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0
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