We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.
This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.
Debate House Prices
In order to help keep the Forum a useful, safe and friendly place for our users, discussions around non MoneySaving matters are no longer permitted. This includes wider debates about general house prices, the economy and politics. As a result, we have taken the decision to keep this board permanently closed, but it remains viewable for users who may find some useful information in it. Thank you for your understanding.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!
Corbynomics: A Dystopia
Comments
-
Dan sounds a decent chap : one doubts that he has ever been an IRA supporter and indeed seems a natural Tory.0 -
Bit of a contradiction there mate........ how can he seem a nice chap and be a 'natural' tory at the same time;)Dan sounds a decent chap : one doubts that he has ever been an IRA supporter and indeed seems a natural Tory.
I think the hot issue for the foreseeable future is going to be how 'call me Dave' is going to hold his party together. He'll have to go you know if he loses the referendum.....what then.....all bets off and predictions for the birds...... even Jeremy Corbyn's star may begin to rise:eek: and there'll be quite a few pig sick tory herberts on here as well. Why oh why did he get talked into this referendum:rotfl:
Seriusly though he'd better win .....or this country will be down the pan!0 -
Why oh why did he get talked into this referendum
No idea, but I'm generally in favour of referendums. However, I think that leaving the EU would be a big mistake so let's hope he can get enough concessions.
BTW, I don't particularly care for Cameron, and don't think he's a patch on previous Conservative PMs (naming no names!) but he took on a very difficult task and the voters (including swing voters) think he's doing a decent job of it.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
Bit of a contradiction there mate........ how can he seem a nice chap and be a 'natural' tory at the same time;)
I think the hot issue for the foreseeable future is going to be how 'call me Dave' is going to hold his party together. He'll have to go you know if he loses the referendum.....what then.....all bets off and predictions for the birds...... even Jeremy Corbyn's star may begin to rise:eek: and there'll be quite a few pig sick tory herberts on here as well. Why oh why did he get talked into this referendum:rotfl:
Seriusly though he'd better win .....or this country will be down the pan!
Sad that you can't change when circumstance change but that's the nature of acolytes.
I see no reason why an independent country of 65 million can't go from strength to strength : there seem to be lots of smaller and larger countries that prosper politically independently of the EU.
Control of the number of immigrant will allows us to stabilise the population of London and the SE and so reduce house prices to allow younger people to buy a family sized house.
Free trade will benefit both us and the people we trade with. This will start to correct the damage that the EU has done to developing countries over the last 50 years.
Anyway, I guess we will both be pleased to see Dave disappear from the political scene.0 -
Control of the number of immigrant will allows us to stabilise the population of London
And prevent the large numbers of unemployed engineers in Greece and Spain from plugging the *massive* gap between what the UK trains and what it needs, and I'm sure this applies in hundreds of other sectors.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
gadgetmind wrote: »And prevent the large numbers of unemployed engineers in Greece and Spain from plugging the *massive* gap between what the UK trains and what it needs, and I'm sure this applies in hundreds of other sectors.
I am unaware that we have a shortage of engineers.
In fact I know quite a lot of graduate engineers who have pursued other careers due to low pay in the engineering sector.
If there really is a massive shortage then the pay will have sky rocketed : what has the wage inflation been like in engineering?
Again wage inflation is low in the UK which doesn't seem consistent with labour shortages.0 -
I am unaware that we have a shortage of engineers.
We do, a massive one.In fact I know quite a lot of graduate engineers who have pursued other careers due to low pay in the engineering sector.
What do you call low pay? We pay £30k even in the grim North for fresh grads and there is pressure to raise to £32k.If there really is a massive shortage then the pay will have sky rocketed : what has the wage inflation been like in engineering?
It's been climbing despite EU immigration. It would rise faster without this, but companies would also be forced to offshore a lot more rather than employing people (and paying tax) in the UK.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
gadgetmind wrote: »We do, a massive one.
What do you call low pay? We pay £30k even in the grim North for fresh grads and there is pressure to raise to £32k.
It's been climbing despite EU immigration. It would rise faster without this, but companies would also be forced to offshore a lot more rather than employing people (and paying tax) in the UK.
I don't think a starting salary of 30k is a sign of massive shortage of graduates.
I understand why a specific company wants an infinite supply of cheap labour but that doesn't mean its good for the people of the UK.
Higher pay for engineers will lead to more young people choosing to study engineering at Uni in preference to other subjects.0 -
I don't think a starting salary of 30k is a sign of massive shortage of graduates.
Higher than UK average salary on day 1, with decent rises twice a year for the first few years, stock options, decent pension scheme, health care, critical illness cover, etc. Where people go after this is down to them, but a management track can see six figures for very good people.I understand why a specific company wants an infinite supply of cheap labour but that doesn't mean its good for the people of the UK.
We don't want cheap labour, nor an infinite supply, just enough to prevent us from having to offshore this development.Higher pay for engineers will lead to more young people choosing to study engineering at Uni in preference to other subjects.
Sadly the UK culture seems to be to drop hard subjects ASAP and STEM subjects are seen as hard. Pay has been rising rapidly for many years due to the shortage of skilled workers that I've described, but it doesn't seem to be pulling more people through university.
If we couldn't recruit bright people from around the EU, we'd be stuffed. If in future we're prevented from hiring beyond the limited talent pool in the UK, we'll simply open more overseas offices and the work will leave the UK.
TBH if it came to that, I'd probably accept that UKIP and others trying to present the acceptable face of racism (sorry, it doesn't have one!) had won and leave the country myself. They can remain here, wave their flags, smoke their fags, and fester in their own juices.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
AIUI Labour have never sacked a leader, they have relied on defeated leaders to resign....
I think that's basically true. Whilst there have been challenges to an existing leader, none of them have ever succeeded as far as I can recall.Dan sounds a decent chap : one doubts that he has ever been an IRA supporter and indeed seems a natural Tory.
It's about time that the Labour Party got around to having another former army major as its leader.0
This discussion has been closed.
Confirm your email address to Create Threads and Reply
Categories
- All Categories
- 351.8K Banking & Borrowing
- 253.4K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
- 454K Spending & Discounts
- 244.7K Work, Benefits & Business
- 600.2K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
- 177.3K Life & Family
- 258.4K Travel & Transport
- 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
- 16.2K Discuss & Feedback
- 37.6K Read-Only Boards