Corbynomics: A Dystopia

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CLAPTON wrote: »

presumably we will see a massive swing to Labour in the local elections in May : once again proving how perceptive you always are.
What's your prediction ; 100% labour or will the greens get a seat or two?

It could depend on how much, or not, the candidates slag off the PLP but I suspect it may be the time for the Lib Dems to show their protest vote credentials, not that I shall be voting for them.

antrobus

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

...The comments about social media are interesting. One of my mates is very loud and lefty on Facebook; always slagging off the Tories and ranting about this and that. I met him whilst working in Poland in 2001 where he also enjoyed a good vodka-fuelled diatribe. I made the effort to organise my postal vote for the General Election that year; he didn't. ...

That reminds me of the cartoon they ran in Private Eye, which featured a couple which went something along the lines of;

Person A: 'I can't believe that Labour didn't win. We tweeted, we facebooked, we instagrammed.'

Person B: 'Perhaps we should have voted as well'.

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

...I would love to know how many moans on Twitter translate into actual votes.

Here is a Twitter based prediction of the 2015 General Election result.
http://www.electionprediction.eu/uk/

So just as wrong as everybody else. Or perhaps a little bit more wrong, as at least some of the traditional polls predicted a tie or a small Con lead.

ruggedtoast

gadgetmind wrote: »

It's a global phenomena, and even the very poorest in the UK are rich beyond the wildest dreams of many others in the world. You don't need to anything like a millionaire to be part of the global top 1%.

Clearly this is a problem, but if we pay our most skilled people less, then we'll simply lose them. We could try and help those on NMW earn more, but they generally have little interest in working harder or upskilling.

Its this kind of ignorant, narrow minded statement which stops me bothering to engage much with this forum any more.

I would invite you to spend a few days doing low wage jobs and see how hard many people have to work for them, and to keep them.

gadgetmind

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I would invite you to spend a few days doing low wage jobs.

I have done, thanks. I was surrounded by people putting in as little effort as they could, who dismissed education as pointless, labelled working hard as sucking up to the boss, and generally blamed everyone but themselves for their lot.

I ignored them, worked hard, studied hard, and hauled myself up by my bootstraps.

I know exactly what they are all still doing.

Filo25

gadgetmind wrote: »

I have done, thanks. I was surrounded by people putting in as little effort as they could, who dismissed education as pointless, labelled working hard as sucking up to the boss, and generally blamed everyone but themselves for their lot.

I ignored them, worked hard, studied hard, and hauled myself up by my bootstraps.

I know exactly what they are all still doing.

Good for you, you obviously had the skillset to do so.

My father worked harder all his life than anyone I have known, he carried on working even after retirement, because it was something he actually enjoyed doing. He earned a pittance doing so, because he didn't have a skillset in demand in the jobs market and lived in a deprived area without either the financial means or confidence to move elsewhere. I on the other hand am pretty lazy but am lucky enough to have a great degree and an in-demand skillset, and am rewarded accordingly

I "get" the whole demonisation of those who aren't working and are on benefits, some of them would like to work and some not, still I accept that generally the give and take of the welfare system should be that we support those in need but that equally those in need do what they can to help themselves and are genuinely available and interested in working.

But I don't "get" the demonisation in some quarters of the low paid, in many cases they are doing the same hours as those of us who are fortunate enough to have the skills to earn a higher salary, maybe it just makes some of us feel a little bit better about ourselves to have someone to look down on.

From what I have seen in my lengthy enough working life in the private sector employee effort and reward are pretty loosely linked at times!

Moby

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Its this kind of ignorant, narrow minded statement which stops me bothering to engage much with this forum any more.

I would invite you to spend a few days doing low wage jobs and see how hard many people have to work for them, and to keep them.

I think asking for empathy from the types who people this thread would not exactly go down well I'm afraid. The !!!!less and poor get short shrift and the 'soft sciences' are not regarded as worthy.
Meanwhile in the real world....call me Dave slimes his way through another PM's questions by not answering the question while the gap begins to grow over Europe:-
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/02/david-cameron-eu-negotiation-triumph-in-his-mind

....pulls up chair:)

Moby

Filo25 wrote: »

Good for you, you obviously had the skillset to do so.

My father worked harder all his life than anyone I have known, he carried on working even after retirement, because it was something he actually enjoyed doing. He earned a pittance doing so, because he didn't have a skillset in demand in the jobs market and lived in a deprived area without either the financial means or confidence to move elsewhere. I on the other hand am pretty lazy but am lucky enough to have a great degree and an in-demand skillset, and am rewarded accordingly

I "get" the whole demonisation of those who aren't working and are on benefits, some of them would like to work and some not, still I accept that generally the give and take of the welfare system should be that we support those in need but that equally those in need do what they can to help themselves and are genuinely available and interested in working.

But I don't "get" the demonisation in some quarters of the low paid, in many cases they are doing the same hours as those of us who are fortunate enough to have the skills to earn a higher salary, maybe it just makes some of us feel a little bit better about ourselves to have someone to look down on.

From what I have seen in my lengthy enough working life in the private sector employee effort and reward are pretty loosely linked at times!

The mindset you describe was common in Dickensian Britain....the deserving and undeserving poor....as defined of course by those who had access to power and resources. If they can achieve so much in life, anyone can if they put their minds to it....apparently! it's that simple you know......makes you wonder why there are any social problems in the UK at all.....because the answers are so easy....just bring back the workhouses or make people realise that they should be grateful for what they have and the fact that they don't live in China! There are people on this thread who probably think Dickensian Britain was the 'good old days'.:rotfl:
There is so much denial and ignorance of real social issues probably because it doesn't fit in with the world view!

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

The mindset you describe was common in Dickensian Britain....the deserving and undeserving poor....as defined of course by those who had access to power and resources. If they can achieve so much in life, anyone can if they put their minds to it....apparently! it's that simple you know......makes you wonder why there are any social problems in the UK at all.....because the answers are so easy....just bring back the workhouses or make people realise that they should be grateful for what they have and the fact that they don't live in China! There are people on this thread who probably think Dickensian Britain was the 'good old days'.:rotfl:

why don't you provide a well reasoned Corbynist description of the 'deserving' and 'undeserving' poor rather than your usual shallow jutxaposition of random nonsense.

gadgetmind

There are people on this thread who probably think Dickensian Britain was the 'good old days'.

It's rare that you see so many strawmen in a single posting. Well done.

ruggedtoast

Moby wrote: »

I think asking for empathy from the types who people this thread would not exactly go down well I'm afraid. The !!!!less and poor get short shrift and the 'soft sciences' are not regarded as worthy.
Meanwhile in the real world....call me Dave slimes his way through another PM's questions by not answering the question while the gap begins to grow over Europe:-
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/02/david-cameron-eu-negotiation-triumph-in-his-mind

....pulls up chair:)

Yes. I had a long absence from this forum and this has reminded me why. I really don't care what these people think anymore. They are incapable of seeing past their own immediate selfishness and prejudice.

Anyone with a shred of compassion would be offended by them and anyone without one, is one of them.

I wouldn't give them the time of day in person so there is no real reason to here.