Corbynomics: A Dystopia

ruggedtoast

Generali wrote: »

Welcome back ruggedtoast, it says much for you that you intend to fight for a losing cause.

The 200k are mostly wealthy urbanites so not the people that will swing an election. To win you need the people that read the Sun and The Mirror, the people that don't really care so much for fights between different varieties of socialism but simply want a vision of a better Britain. Mr Corbyn seems more interested in fighting the battles of the 1980s, I mean Las Malvinas and the Polaris replacement is very 1984.



Oh I get it. I live abroad so I'm a damn foreigner now. I'm getting beyond myself sticking my nose into your business, getting uppity.



Not that bored if we believe the polls. Speaking of which...



I know. If it wasn't for those newspaper moguls, getting their henchmen to stand in every convenience store and garage, forcing people to buy newspapers that they don't agree with. And have you seen what they do to office workers with a few minutes to kill at lunchtime? They want to look up the Morning Star and are forced to read the Daily Mail instead.



So the latest poll that is the best you can find from your POV shows Mr Corbyn's Labour 5 points behind. Let's be honest, if we look across the polls as a whole the Tories are on c.40%, Labour 30%, UKIP 10%. SNP are on 5% of the vote and 10% of the seats

To regain power Labour need to get all of those UKIP votes back plus a goodly chunk of the SNP votes too. That's a very steep hill in front of you old chap.

I hope all's well with you old friend. Your common sense approach to Scottish politics has been sorely missed.

Becoming foreign is bad enough. Becoming Australian is beyond the pale.

Print is dead and the online MSM is crooked.

Social Media is where its at and according to Social Mention Labour are on:

51% Strength
16:1 Sentiment
10% Passion
40% Reach

The Tories in comparison are on:

42% Strength
6:1 Sentiment
6% Passion
36% Reach

They are winning the battle for sentiment where it counts and it doesn't matter how many Sun journalists print nonsense about Corbyn having tea with the IRA and how many Claptons foam in the comments. It just isn't working.

I can't look at the Scottish thread any more. It is the Jimmy Saville of internet threads. It rubs its thighs and gets people to sit on its knee, and I am responsible for it.

ruggedtoast

mwpt wrote: »

This is just as much a lie perpetuated by the hard left as the lie that benefits cheats are responsible for our economic woes. We pay more in welfare today than we ever did. How do you reconcile that with saying the Tories destroy fundamental decency?



Another bit of misinformation perpetuated by the left wing twitterati. The rich pay the majority of tax. In fact, even this elusive top 1% that is so hated, pay more than the bottom 50% if I'm recalling correctly. This share has actually grown over time. To be fair, this is also because inequality has grown in the UK but still, the state services are funded mostly by the top 10% of earners and in that top 10% most is funded by the top 1 percentile.



The problem is, it is very easy to point out people who are directly negatively impacted by change in social policies. It is less easy to show the positive impact to wider society. I asked this of another poster but never gave an answer, would you sacrifice the happiness of wider society to save the happiness of a small group of people?

Yes. The 1% and their cheerleaders have created a landscape where no one has much money apart from them. 70% of the jobs that people used to do have been outsourced to save their companies money, and the working poor dont earn enough to be net fiscal contributors so are effectively voiceless serfs.


And we are supposed to be grateful for this why?

The inequality in taxable income is an enormous glaring symptom of what is wrong with Britain not what is right with it.

gadgetmind

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The inequality in taxable income is an enormous glaring symptom of what is wrong with Britain not what is right with it.

It's a global phenomena, and even the very poorest in the UK are rich beyond the wildest dreams of many others in the world. You don't need to anything like a millionaire to be part of the global top 1%.

Clearly this is a problem, but if we pay our most skilled people less, then we'll simply lose them. We could try and help those on NMW earn more, but they generally have little interest in working harder or upskilling.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Becoming foreign is bad enough. Becoming Australian is beyond the pale.

Print is dead and the online MSM is crooked.

Social Media is where its at and according to Social Mention Labour are on:

51% Strength
16:1 Sentiment
10% Passion
40% Reach

The Tories in comparison are on:

42% Strength
6:1 Sentiment
6% Passion
36% Reach

They are winning the battle for sentiment where it counts and it doesn't matter how many Sun journalists print nonsense about Corbyn having tea with the IRA and how many Claptons foam in the comments. It just isn't working.

I can't look at the Scottish thread any more. It is the Jimmy Saville of internet threads. It rubs its thighs and gets people to sit on its knee, and I am responsible for it.

presumably we will see a massive swing to Labour in the local elections in May : once again proving how perceptive you always are.
What's your prediction ; 100% labour or will the greens get a seat or two?

gadgetmind

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Social Media is where its at and according to Social Mention Labour are

... are going to win to 2015 General Election.

Malthusian

Social Media is where its at and according to Social Mention Labour are on:

51% Strength
16:1 Sentiment
10% Passion
40% Reach

Those appear to add up to 117%. Labour: the Party you can trust on the economy since 2007.

What's the difference between sentiment and passion?

Anyone who says something like "We're winning the battle for sentiment" and genuinely believes this is something to be proud of needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

mwpt

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Yes. The 1% and their cheerleaders have created a landscape where no one has much money apart from them.

Again, untrue.

Globalisation is causing poverty to shrink is most of the world. Western nations will have to take the pain for a period of time. If people feel poorer in wester nations it is because people in developing nations are getting richer.

Despite being a pretty firm free market advocate, I will grant you that at some point in the future we are going to have to find a way to redistribute concentrations of wealth. But making everyone poorer because you don't like some people getting richer isn't a good way to do this.

Generali

Malthusian wrote: »

Those appear to add up to 117%. Labour: the Party you can trust on the economy since 2007.

What's the difference between sentiment and passion?

Anyone who says something like "We're winning the battle for sentiment" and genuinely believes this is something to be proud of needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

Shh. Don't tell them that they're going to be very lucky to get a third of the vote let alone 117% of it. It's only Stalin and Kim that get 117%.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I can't look at the Scottish thread any more. It is the Jimmy Saville of internet threads. It rubs its thighs and gets people to sit on its knee, and I am responsible for it.

I don't generally agree with you ruggedtoast, but you do have an exquisite turn of phrase that livens up the debate.

The comments about social media are interesting. One of my mates is very loud and lefty on Facebook; always slagging off the Tories and ranting about this and that. I met him whilst working in Poland in 2001 where he also enjoyed a good vodka-fuelled diatribe. I made the effort to organise my postal vote for the General Election that year; he didn't. I would love to know how many moans on Twitter translate into actual votes.

gadgetmind

mwpt wrote: »

Globalisation is causing poverty to shrink is most of the world.

Absolutely. Longevity is increasing, child mortality dropping quickly, education improving, and birth rates are now dropping too.

Technology, capitalism, and globalisation are working hand in hand to create a better world.

This is *well* worth a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FACK2knC08E