Corbynomics: A Dystopia

gadgetmind

Moby wrote: »

when you do a home visit to a family in chaos

Anyone remember Kenny Everitt's Sid Snot? Best quick one liner was "I come from a broken home <sniff> I broke it."

However, being more serious, I did a range of menial jobs in my younger days alongside a wide variety of people. I was working long evenings after school, and right through my weekends, so was clocking up a 30 hour week from age of 14 while still at school.

This meant I had to try and fit homework into any quiet periods and breaks. The number of "career menial" people who went to great lengths to tell me that I was wasting my time working hard and passing exams was remarkable. I guess they tell their kids the same thing, and thence on to the grandkids, and down the line it goes.

However, many others with similar backgrounds "got it" in that they understood that working hard (and smart!) brings rewards no matter what your background. Some even asked me for maths tuition, which I was happy to provide as I am (and don't ask me why) a pretty natural teacher.

You can blame others, blame your background, blame your tools (sorry, cheap shot!) or you can knuckle down and get on with making a success of your life.

ukcarper

What happens in formative years makes a big difference, if you are unlucky enough to be born to the wrong type of parents you are at a great disadvantage and your chance of a good future will be severely undermined by the time you start school.

Mistermeaner

Parenting license is the answer. Test capability and means.

Breed out the !!!!less and cut benefits. Win win

gadgetmind

ukcarper wrote: »

What happens in formative years makes a big difference

Agreed, to a limited extent. But I've been driven by maths and science since before I can remember, and that came from me not my parents.

And even if we accept that "it's the parents what done it" then how do we fix this? Free education for all would seem to be the answer, but it's clearly not a panacea. From my encounters with those less inclined to learn, work and achieve, the big issue is that they see an easier route of not bothering, claiming massive benefits, and blaming it all on "society".

ukcarper

gadgetmind wrote: »

Agreed, to a limited extent. But I've been driven by maths and science since before I can remember, and that came from me not my parents.

And even if we accept that "it's the parents what done it" then how do we fix this? Free education for all would seem to be the answer, but it's clearly not a panacea. From my encounters with those less inclined to learn, work and achieve, the big issue is that they see an easier route of not bothering, claiming massive benefits, and blaming it all on "society".

I suspect your parent gave you a good upbringing.

I believe in the majority of cases the parent are responsable what the answe is o don't know. But writing them off is not good for them or the country.

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

I suspect your parent gave you a good upbringing.

I believe in the majority of cases the parent are responsable what the answe is o don't know. But writing them off is not good for them or the country.

if the alternative is both expensive and ineffective, then yes writing them off is indeed the correct policy.
sometimes there is no 'answer'.

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

if the alternative and both expensive and ineffective, then yes writing them off is indeed the correct policy.
sometimes there is no 'answer'.

Why am I not surprised at your post.

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

Why am I not surprised at your post.

probably because you don't look for solutions: but only interested in socialist sound bites that cost a lot of money without being effective

why do you think spending money ineffectively is OK whilst there are many other opportunities to help people in need?

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

probably because you don't look for solutions: but only interested in socialist sound bites that cost a lot of money without being effective

why do you think spending money ineffectively is OK whilst there are many other opportunities to help people in need?

Unlike you who just gives up. Who said anything about spending money ineffectively I thought that was you just keep on paying the benefits.

Generali

Moby wrote: »

If only it were true.......but this country's radicalism is pretty poor gruel. History has shown.....(Corn Laws, Chartist movement etc).... the privileged have an ability to give just enough away to stop real change ever take place....and of course they are always defended by their working class canon fodder types as well.....who are happy with the crumbs from the table of their betters.;)

Right, because the British political economy is organised in exactly the same way as in the early nineteenth century.

Except for the end of the old-style vagrancy rules; and the extension of the franchise to the working class and to women; and the massive increase in educational opportunities; and the reintroduction of the joint stock company allowing individuals to access capital and profit as a result of their own labour; female entry into the labour market; the welfare state; state healthcare provision; the end of debtors prison; retirement; the end of the workhouse; the end of the slave trade; the end of the empire; and the rise of the consumer and leisure time.

Except those little things, people remain as starving playthings of the aristocrats pleading for crumbs from the top table.

You really live in another world don't you.