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Corbynomics: A Dystopia

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  • Moby
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    gadgetmind wrote: »
    Who's that exactly?


    And now I haven't got a clue what you're on about. It seems to be some "class struggle" nonsense, which I've never had any truck with.

    My parents both left school at age 14, both my wife and myself grew up in mining villages (her Wales, me Lancashire), but we've all worked hard, earned well, and I guess a lot of people would say we're upper middle class.

    Personally I'd refuse to even discuss what "class" we might be as I regard it as being an utterly meaningless concept that belongs (if anywhere) way back in the mists of time.
    You have a similar story to me then and I did well for myself as well..... but many don't and that's the point!
    From your own mouthpiece:-
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/10603226/English-education-system-among-most-class-ridden-in-developed-world.html
  • gadgetmind
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    Moby wrote: »

    Blimey, do you really think anything there actually backs up your statement? Did you actually read any of it?
    I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.

    Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.
  • gadgetmind
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    Moby wrote: »
    You have a similar story to me then and I did well for myself as well..... but many don't and that's the point!

    It's all down to the individual, which is as it should be.
    From your own mouthpiece:-

    My what? They don't speak for me and I don't speak for them.
    I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.

    Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.
  • Moby
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    edited 12 January 2016 at 4:53PM
    gadgetmind wrote: »
    It's all down to the individual, which is as it should be.
    Really! What about 'individuals' who come from deprived backgrounds?....children have no choice about who their parents are? There is no equality of opportunity!


    http://www.talyarkoni.org/blog/2010/07/07/what-the-dunning-kruger-effect-is-and-isnt/
  • CLAPTON
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    Moby wrote: »
    Really! What about 'individuals' who come from deprived backgrounds?....children have no choice about who their parents are? There is no equality of opportunity!

    Exactly the attitude that does so much damage to poor people.
    Snivelling acceptance in pre-destination rather than recognising that every-one can reach their potential given the right encouragement.
  • Moby
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    edited 12 January 2016 at 5:23PM
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    Moby wrote: »

    Exactly the attitude that does so much damage to poor people.
    Snivelling acceptance in pre-destination rather than recognising that every-one can reach their potential given the right encouragement.
    Absolute tosh! It's not about predestination.....it's about not turning away from the reality in front of you when you do a home visit to a family in chaos....like I often do! Your 'right encouragement' comment says nothing because it's patently obvious individuals will more likely reach their potential if given the 'right encouragement'. The problem is it is not there is it for so many! That's the issue!
  • antrobus
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    Moby wrote: »

    Interesting.

    Your link is to a forum which links to someone else's blog post, followed by a string of comments along the lines of "The article doesn't at all say that the DK effect is junk science", and "Blog citation? How about some research and data?" and the general conclusion appears to be that the original post to that thread is in fact evidence of the DK effect in practice.

    My conclusion is that it shows the exact opposite of what you think it shows.:)
  • Moby
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    edited 12 January 2016 at 6:09PM
    antrobus wrote: »
    Interesting.

    Your link is to a forum which links to someone else's blog post, followed by a string of comments along the lines of "The article doesn't at all say that the DK effect is junk science", and "Blog citation? How about some research and data?" and the general conclusion appears to be that the original post to that thread is in fact evidence of the DK effect in practice.

    My conclusion is that it shows the exact opposite of what you think it shows.:)
    Does it really... well never mind.......Problem is I'm on a dodgy computer and put up the wrong link...... but since you are so interested I posted another link as well on a later post. ;)...........
    It was to Katherine Burson's critique:-
    Burson, K.; Larrick, R.; Klayman, J. (2006). "Skilled or unskilled, but still unaware of it: how perceptions of difficulty drive miscalibration in relative comparisons". Journal of Social Psychology 90 (1): 5.
  • gadgetmind
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    Moby wrote: »
    Problem is I'm on a dodgy computer and put up the wrong link

    Try this one and pick a language.

    http://forum.wordreference.com/threads/a-bad-workman-blames-his-tools.521076/
    It was to Katherine Burson's critique:-
    Burson, K.; Larrick, R.; Klayman, J. (2006). "Skilled or unskilled, but still unaware of it: how perceptions of difficulty drive miscalibration in relative comparisons". Journal of Social Psychology 90 (1): 5.

    That paper effectively said that there is no difference between the competent and the incompetent people, because the incompetent ones overestimate themselves roughly in the same way as the competent ones underestimate themselves.

    It's usually referenced as a supporting paper, including in the DK wikipedia entry.

    The main problem with DK is that a lot of less competent people misundestand the effect it describes, and then use their incorrect understanding as a basis to say that it's wrong. Of course, it's hard to explain this to those people.
    I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.

    Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.
  • CLAPTON
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    Moby wrote: »
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    Absolute tosh! It's not about predestination.....it's about not turning away from the reality in front of you when you do a home visit to a family in chaos....like I often do! Your 'right encouragement' comment says nothing because it's patently obvious individuals will more likely reach their potential if given the 'right encouragement'. The problem is it is not there is it for so many! That's the issue!

    if you mean 'families in choas' rather than 'deprived ' then they can certainly be relocated to Hull with no lose to anyone and a property available for a worthwhile family.: so win here
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