Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Generali

setmefree2 wrote: »

A new story breaking



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3325294/Disarm-police-scrap-MI5-Labour-new-security-storm-demands-backed-shadow-chancellor-John-McDonnell.html

I have no idea if this is real or manufactured but I have had a bit of a squizz at the Socialist Campaign for Labour Victory website and whoever is running it could at best be said to have an interesting point of view.

Here's an example:

https://socialistcampaignforalabourvictory.wordpress.com/2015/05/06/4-reasons-working-class-radicals-should-vote-labour-on-7-may/

From any radical point of view, the political landscape in Britain is woefully inadequate.
A ‘British Syriza’ – a broad coalition of the working-class left with real weight in workplaces and communities, that could sideline the old ‘official’ social democratic party – would be preferable. A mass (anti-Stalinist) communist party rooted in a substantially more radical labour movement than the present one would be more preferable still.
But that’s not where we are, and we won’t get there by declaring this or that organisation or electoral project to be either of those things in embryo. Neither Syriza, nor mass revolutionary parties (such as the German SDP, until the First World War), had their roots anything even remotely resembling, for example, TUSC (Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition) or Left Unity.

So perhaps a >100 year old failed political movement would be a good model for the current UK polity (get rid of the Gold Standard, renegotiate the Treaty of London or the British will reap the whirlwind, buy machine guns but don't use them against) or maybe a communist party that is avowedly against one mass murderer but not necessarily all of them.

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I recommend a bit of a hunt around the website actually as it's good for a laugh. It seems to have been written by a bunch of sociology post grads under guidance from 90 year old communists of various hues.

Jason74

Well, if it is true, his position is untenable, surely. And if it's true and he doesn't go, it can surely only hasten Corbyn's view.

I appreciate that many on here would be happy to never see another Labour government, but surely anyone who cares about democracy is saddened to see the party that brought about huge advances for ordinary people in the past (and still the official opposition tasked with holding the government to account) reduced to this debacle. And worst of all, it is both entirely predictable and completely self inflicted

Generali

Jason74 wrote: »

Well, if it is true, his position is untenable, surely. And if it's true and he doesn't go, it can surely only hasten Corbyn's view.

I appreciate that many on here would be happy to never see another Labour government, but surely anyone who cares about democracy is saddened to see the party that brought about huge advances for ordinary people in the past (and still the official opposition tasked with holding the government to account) reduced to this debacle. And worst of all, it is both entirely predictable and completely self inflicted

The point for me is that someone has to hold the Government to account and that can't be done under a leader that seems to make up policy on the bus in the morning while changing it on the way home.

I am mildly Tory (I describe myself as Libertarian Lite) but I would never want to see the Tories in power, unopposed for decades. That way lies corruption and the undermining of democracy.

Moby

setmefree2 wrote: »

Are you suggesting we do nothing about Daesh?

Trouble with Corbyn is he actually hates being British. He hates our history and he hates our traditions. He actually would rather be, say, a South American commie. He belongs to the ‘kill us, we deserve it’ school of political analysis. He can work himself into a froth of indignation about American policy on Venezuela but when it comes to the bloodbath in the French capital he has an air of awkward detachment – as if he were distractedly ruminating at a university seminar. There is no anger, no revulsion, no determination to act.

Yet, he could stand for a minute’s silence in honour of IRA operatives killed by the British army in 1987 and he can describe the blood-soaked Hamas and Hezbollah networks as “friends”. In the same vein he had the nerve to go on Iranian television to call Osama Bin Laden’s death “a tragedy”.

And yet somehow he wants to lead us! The very same British that he actually hates.

As well as hating The British his next big hate is The West. When anti-western regimes and movements go to war against The West he's right behind them. He defended the Russian invasion of Ukraine by saying the West had provoked the Kremlin. The hard-Left’s reaction to Islamic extremism is characterised by a guilt-ridden, self-loathing impulse to heap all the blame on the West. Somehow it is easier to blame The West than to admit that there are those for whom freedom, tolerance and the rule of law are natural enemies.

You know him personally then.....???? or are you basing your character assessment based on what you read in the press and your prejudices.........because I have met him and I assure you he bears no likeness whatsoever to how you describe him. I agree he is no leader......he is a campaigner.... but that is very different from the way he is seen by many on here who define themselves by the Sun and the Mail....that McDonnell story is another load of crap as well.:rotfl:

CLAPTON

Jason74 wrote: »

Well, if it is true, his position is untenable, surely. And if it's true and he doesn't go, it can surely only hasten Corbyn's view.

I appreciate that many on here would be happy to never see another Labour government, but surely anyone who cares about democracy is saddened to see the party that brought about huge advances for ordinary people in the past (and still the official opposition tasked with holding the government to account) reduced to this debacle. And worst of all, it is both entirely predictable and completely self inflicted

I don't know if it true, although it fits with the immature school boyish/girlish nature of the IRA supporters Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott

However, a strong Labour party with ideas, views and providing alternative strategies is essential to hold the Tories to account.
To do this they must be a credible party of power: sadly with the current leadership they are certainly not.

There is some consolation in that, other of the senior Labour people, are trying to present sensible policies and to disown the more absurd output from the leadership.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

You know him personally then.....???? or are you basing your character assessment based on what you read in the press and your prejudices.........because I have met him and I assure you he bears no likeness whatsoever to how you describe him. I agree he is no leader......he is a campaigner.... but that is very different from the way he is seen by many on here who define themselves by the Sun and the Mail....that McDonnell story is another load of crap as well.:rotfl:

when you have these deep conversations with John, have you discussed his love of the IRA bombers and how they should be honoured?

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

You know him personally then.....????

I can read the things he says - why do I have to know him personally???

I'm sure you have views on many Tories and you can't have met all of them.

Mistermeaner

Does Andy Burnham use eye liner? He looked weird on question time

Also seems to pluck his eyebrows

Generali

The Labour party are trying to sell Corbynomics but it looks like the British people aren't buying it:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9551

Con: 42%
Lab: 27%
UKIP: 15%
Lib Dem: 7%

ComRes are the only one of the pollsters to have updated their methodology as a result of their failings in predicting the last General Election result. I leave you to decide whether that means a more or less accurate poll as a result.

Thrugelmir

Generali wrote: »

The Labour party are trying to sell Corbynomics but it looks like the British people aren't buying it:

Next years English local elections maybe the watershed for Labour. As will be an opportunity for the electorate to express their opinion.