Corbynomics: A Dystopia

gadgetmind

Southend1 wrote: »

almost two thirds of the votes cast were against the Conservatives, without even counting the proportion of eligible voters who abstained - only 24% of the total electorate actually voted for the Conservatives.

Which tells you close to zero. I voted Lib Dem because I'd much rather have them locally than Labour, and because I knew it was the best way for me to give the Conservatives the best chance of winning overall.

CLAPTON

Southend1 wrote: »

antrobus wrote: »

So if we agree on that, then why should such stringent turnout requirements apply to trade union democracy when it doesn't apply in politics?

Turnout in the 2012 police and crime commissioner elections was 15%!

I've already explained it to you: they are different types of situation.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

Many agree that general elections could use other voting methods so that parties like UKIP and the Greens can be properly recognised.

Conrad

Southend1 wrote: »

Does the current government have a democratic mandate to run the country then,

Labours votes 2005 = 9,567,589 / 35.2% vote share

Tory 2015 = 11,334,576 / 36.9% vote share


It's worth noting 51% of the UK voted for centre right, Conservative, UKIP, DUP, for England I think it's above 55%.

antrobus

CLAPTON wrote: »

I've already explained it to you: they are different types of situation.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

Many agree that general elections could use other voting methods so that parties like UKIP and the Greens can be properly recognised.

My profuse apologies. You are, of course, completely correct.

I had quite forgotten the basic constitutional principle that any general election that results in a Labour government is, by definition, an expression of the will of the people, whilst any general election that results in a Conservative government is, by definition, a travesty of the democratic process.

.string.

Conrad wrote: »

Labours votes 2005 = 9,567,589 / 35.2% vote share

Tory 2015 = 11,334,576 / 36.9% vote share


It's worth noting 51% of the UK voted for centre right, Conservative, UKIP, DUP, for England I think it's above 55%.

I wonder how many of those Labour voters voted for the Labour Party they now have.

Generali

antrobus wrote: »

My profuse apologies. You are, of course, completely correct.

I had quite forgotten the basic constitutional principle that any general election that results in a Labour government is, by definition, an expression of the will of the people, whilst any general election that results in a Conservative government is, by definition, a travesty of the democratic process.

Are you a political editor at the BBC by any chance...?

setmefree2

I think this is very damaging to the Tories

Tory voter berates minister on Question Time over tax credits - BBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwfoP0DshgQ

'I feel sick to be a Tory': Viewers pour out their hearts after mum's tearful tax credits speech

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-feel-sick-tory-viewers-6643701



That - and the retrospective changes to terms and conditions on student loans and allowing Grammar Schools back into England and putting the Chinese in charge of a nuclear power station - could make a Corbynomics a reality :eek:

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

.string.

Yes it could be damaging although whether the lady was in such dire straights is not known, bearing in mind that tax credits are only part of the equation.

I do think, however, that the Government need to react in some way.

setmefree2

.string. wrote: »

I do think, however, that the Government need to react in some way.

They may need to back track/ u turn.

Or get some stories out there about the people who are abusing the tax credit system - those pretending to be self employed in order to claim tax credits, etc.

I'm sure similar stories are being emailed to Corbyn's team every minute.

Very very damaging.

martinsurrey

.string. wrote: »

Yes it could be damaging although whether the lady was in such dire straights is not known, bearing in mind that tax credits are only part of the equation.

I do think, however, that the Government need to react in some way.

Exactly, can you remember when the under occupancy rules (bedroom tax) were flavour of the month back in 2013? It was all about disabled people being kicked out on the streets, mums not being able to feed their kids, and then the Tories still won, because it takes more than a sob story to sway millions of people, given enough time for the reasoning and logic to come out.