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I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why the SNP is cutting University and college places when we have a growing skills shortage in the workforce.
While choosing to continue paying the [STRIKE]bedroom tax[/STRIKE] spare room subsidy for people that want to live in a house too big for their needs.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
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I dont think Nicola Sturgeon could ever be classes as middle class....
Not any more....
To be fair it's hard to keep up the middle class pretences when you're on a £250,000 household income, you look down at the little people from your own personal helicopter, and your portrait is on display at your 'official residence'.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
I don't agree actually. Ruggedtoast explained this earlier. Read his post and whilst you're at it maybe you ought to look up the difference between correlation and causation.
What's odd about thinking paying the fees of students who would attend university anyway is anything but a middle class subsidy? With people starving too.
Ok, I've read ruggedtoast's post again and while I agree there are some valid points it's all very black & white. People are very different & have widely varying life experiences that brought them to use foodbanks in the first place. I'd imagine most feel thoroughly ashamed and embarrassed to enter one. This is where, when we stereotype these folk, we are judging their ability to be responsible citizens. It's all a case of do this, this and this and you won't find you need to use foodbanks. I don't think it's that simple. I think it's a very complex issue which has no easy solution. It's all very easy to say people get enough in benefits to survive but what about working people who don't meet the criteria for any benefits but have little or nothing to survive on? Can you offer a solution that will eradicate the need for food-banks? Where would you suggest people relocate to in order to improve their situation? Is it in areas where affordable social housing would be available?
Free tuition may well benefit the middle classes too the government policy is everyone should have the right to attend university. If it wasn't free which social group would be disadvantaged most?
I'll just ignore your last sentence.......0 -
Leanne1812 wrote: »
Free tuition may well benefit the middle classes too the government policy is everyone should have the right to attend university. If it wasn't free which social group would be disadvantaged most?
I'll just ignore your last sentence.......
well, if Uni tuition wasn't 'free' then the people most disadvantaged are those graduates who will earn over 21,000 per annum
and rich parents who otherwise pay directly for the Uni fees for their children.
you tell me, which social group are these people?0 -
well, if Uni tuition wasn't 'free' then the people most disadvantaged are those graduates who will earn over 21,000 per annum
and rich parents who otherwise pay directly for the Uni fees for their children.
you tell me, which social group are these people?
I'd argue that if the parents who can pay do then their children can still attend university. It becomes unobtainable for young people from poorer backgrounds who's parents cannot afford it.0 -
Leanne1812 wrote: »Ok, I've read ruggedtoast's post again and while I agree there are some valid points it's all very black & white. People are very different & have widely varying life experiences that brought them to use foodbanks in the first place. I'd imagine most feel thoroughly ashamed and embarrassed to enter one. This is where, when we stereotype these folk, we are judging their ability to be responsible citizens. It's all a case of do this, this and this and you won't find you need to use foodbanks. I don't think it's that simple. I think it's a very complex issue which has no easy solution. It's all very easy to say people get enough in benefits to survive but what about working people who don't meet the criteria for any benefits but have little or nothing to survive on? Can you offer a solution that will eradicate the need for foodbanks?
Free tuition may well benefit the middle classes too the government policy is everyone should have the right to attend university. If it wasn't free which social group would be disadvantaged most?
I'll just ignore your last sentence.......
I'm glad to see we agree food banks are more complex than you first implied. Why would we want to eradicate them - they seem to offer a service that's much more reactive to immediate and acute need than the benefits system could ever be . Probably need to accept their presence creates some unwanted demand but that's by the by.
I think you misunderstand my point regarding fees. I'm not suggesting disadvantaged students aren't helped but pondering why middle classes are being subsidised to send their kids to university by people whose kids won't attend.0 -
Leanne1812 wrote: »I'd argue that if the parents who can pay do then their children can still attend university. It becomes unobtainable for young people from poorer backgrounds who's parents cannot afford it.
do you actually know anything at all about how the Scottish and English systems work?
In Scotland tuition fees are zero so a neither rich nor poor persons pay anything when they start a Uni course and never have to repay a penny.
In England tuition fees are a loan, so neither rich nor poor person pay anything when they start a Uni course (EXACTLY LIKE IN SCOTLAND), however a graduate who earns more than 21,000 has to gradually repay their tuition fee loans.
as parents don't pay anything in tuition fees in either system, why is the parents income relevant?0 -
You don't seriously believe people are starving in Scotland do you? I was being ironic.
P.S. it's not all about Nicola.
Having spent over two years working in a food kitchen and feeding starving people yes I know there are starving people ... and before you say they drink etc ... some of them didnt, one woman escaped from an abusive relationship and brought her children to a soup kitchen as they hadnt eaten for days, the poor woman was sobbing her heart out, we helped were we could, we had a man that had been eating crab apples in june ( when they are far too small and not ripe) he was having severe stomach pains, that was all the food he had eaten in 14 days as he didnt know we existed, poor man landed up in hospital.
It isnt all about Nicola, I am aware, thats why I used the example of Mhari Black as well, I could easily have used the example of myself I spose, working class and now greatful for the second opportunity to go to university... strangely I dont think there are just the three of us either0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »Didn't she used to employ a personal shopper?
Maybe we need to define middle class better? to me a working class person could easily get a personal shopper if they needed one... maybe others dont think so though0
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