Cycling question - signalling left and right?

Altarf

Norman_Castle wrote: »

"Don't argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

I take it from you lack of a response to the simple question "Do you agree that red light jumping by cyclists is illegal and anti-social?" that you do not consider that the behaviour is illegal and anti-social.

Perhaps you can understand why people dislike cyclists due to their double standards.

boliston

You will find that people will generally break laws where they can easily be broken AND they think that their actions will cause no harm.

If you drive at exactly 70mph on a motorway in an ideal world you would NEVER be overtaken.

In the real world you will find that more vehicles will overtake you than the number you overtake (excluding speed limited vehicles).

This is because it is very easy for a motorist to break the law with almost no risk of being caught.

Similarly with cyclists you will get situations such as a red light with no cross traffic and some cyclists will proceed on red because they can position themselves where they can see cross traffic, which motorists would be unable to see (assuming they were the lead vehicle waiting at the lights)

Altarf

boliston wrote: »

Similarly with cyclists you will get situations such as a red light with no cross traffic and some cyclists will proceed on red because they can position themselves where they can see cross traffic, which motorists would be unable to see (assuming they were the lead vehicle waiting at the lights)

So they behave anti-socially because they believe they are above the law, and place their interests above others (e.g. pedestrians trying to cross the junction with the lights).

What a nice group of people.

hugheskevi

You will find that people will generally break laws where they can easily be broken AND they think that their actions will cause no harm.

Indeed.

Over the last couple of months I've been comparing the number of drivers I see using handheld devices whilst in control of a vehicle to the number of cyclists I see jumping red lights on my daily commute. The number using handheld devices is significantly in excess of the number of cyclists running red lights.

Add in the number of drivers who ignore stop lines (eg entering Advanced Stop Zones illegally), fail to properly observe traffic signals (amber-gamblers, etc), those who change lane or turn without correct mirror or signal use and the notion that it is only "the occasional driver breaking the law" is laughable.

Videos such as this one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmTl7fXYXm4&index=2&list=WL - are commonplace and clearly show that where there is no little or no sanction people will readily break laws.

frisbeej

Altarf wrote: »

So they behave anti-socially because they believe they are above the law, and place their interests above others (e.g. pedestrians trying to cross the junction with the lights).

What a nice group of people.

Now you're getting it. Cyclists are a great group of people!


Now toddle off to bed and dream of lycra clad butts, middle aged and male obviously.

boliston

Altarf wrote: »

So they behave anti-socially because they believe they are above the law, and place their interests above others (e.g. pedestrians trying to cross the junction with the lights).

What a nice group of people.

So motorists breaking the law is fine but wrong only for cyclists?

Altarf

boliston wrote: »

So motorists breaking the law is fine but wrong only for cyclists?

Clearly both are wrong.

But just because A is doing something illegal does not mean that B should also do something illegal, although there seems to be something strangely wired in cyclists heads that make them think it is.

When cyclists are criticised for blatantly running red lights, which is not only illegal, but is anti-social and places others in danger, their standard response is not shame and embarrassment, but fake outrage and finger pointing at others.

Norman_Castle

Altarf wrote: »

I take it from you lack of a response to the simple question "Do you agree that red light jumping by cyclists is illegal and anti-social?" that you do not consider that the behaviour is illegal and anti-social.

Red light jumping is illegal , dangerous and can be anti social when done by all road users. I don't need to condemn it because i've never supported or condoned it. I'm an individual who cycles and not a spokesperson for cyclists.

Norman_Castle

nigglenoo wrote: »

Singling out one class of road user in the criticism and trying to generalise to that whole class is clearly a prejudiced point of view.

Altarf isn't prejudiced. He made this very clear in one of his many, I hate all cyclists, posts.

Altarf

nigglenoo wrote: »

Singling out one class of road user in the criticism and trying to generalise to that whole class is clearly a prejudiced point of view.

When was the last time you saw a car driver sail through a set of red lights that had been red for a minute?

When was the last time you saw a cyclists sail through a set of red lights that had been red for a minute?

If a significant number of people within a group behave in an illegal and anti-social way, then if that group does not wish to be associated with that behaviour it would speak out against it.

Cyclists don't, but bleat on and try and place the blame elsewhere.