JSA when training or are you forced to accept unpaid training?

BoJangles_2

elsien wrote: »

Because the company is quite possibly taking advantage by taking getting a weeks work out of people for free. Personally, I'd have an issue with doing this as well - any reputable company should pay. I'd be very suspicious if one that didn't.

Even if this were true, it doesn't take away the fact that you are gaining experience. Doing the course will do nothing to hurt your future opportunities, in fact just the opposite.

If there are other opportunities then fair enough, go for those!

HappyMJ

theone999 wrote: »

I applied for a job off Universal Jobmatch. I got a call back saying they want me to do 1 week 9-5 of unpaid training, but I get a "guranteed interview", though not a guaranteed job.

As they know I'm claiming, the first question they asked me.

Am I allowed to refuse full time unpaid training not ordered by the Jobcentre that may not necessarily lead to a job and hinder my ability to look for one in the meantime?

OP I go away for a day and all you've done is found yourself another dodgy job. You are entitled to be paid expenses whilst training if they don't pay your travel costs then don't take the job. You can refuse anything in which you will make yourself worse off. Having to pay every day for a bus ticket is going to make you worse off so the job can be refused and you will not lose your JSA.

BJV

theone999 wrote: »

And look, I'm a decent and reasonable person, this thread and another thread I made earlier in the week are all because of how companies have shady practices when they deal with poor / disadvantaged jobseekers. They want their cake, and eat it too.

I don't want to be taken advatange of. I'm like Greece. I want a fair deal.

Ok really trying to stay calm. I own my own company. No-one gave it to me. I scrimped, did without, self funded, no money from mummy and daddy, god it was tough, really tough and I employ people. Not every employer is as you so eloquently put it a "!!!!!!".


Work trials can be good. Training is good.


So please just as you have a chip on your shoulder about employers DO NOT tarnish everyone with the same brush.


There are people who abuse the system on both sides ( employees and employers ) but not everyone. Just as someone who claims benefits is not automatically a leach on society, not all employers are simply there to humiliate and enslave the defenceless employee.


I do not and have never advocated that people should work for nothing. But equally I do not and have never advocated that people should be encouraged to choose benefits as a lifestyle choice.


But hey as you coined the phrase " if your parents where richer" why not just go any ask "mummy and daddy"?


Sorry being a post grad and sponging off "mummy and daddy" is not the only option.


The welfare system is there to help people - all people in need. It is not perfect it can never be as there will be people - both sides, who will always look for ways to manipulate the system. But not everyone. Not everyone is there by choice and there for the grace of god go I.


One post I read some time ago said it far better than I. "it is an honor and a privilege to be able to help ".

BJV

BoJangles wrote: »

Even if this were true, it doesn't take away the fact that you are gaining experience. Doing the course will do nothing to hurt your future opportunities, in fact just the opposite.

If there are other opportunities then fair enough, go for those!

Do not really think that the OP is interested. Think he/she is instead simply trying to prove a point.

theone999

BJV wrote: »

Ok really trying to stay calm. I own my own company. No-one gave it to me. I scrimped, did without, self funded, no money from mummy and daddy, god it was tough, really tough and I employ people. Not every employer is as you so eloquently put it a "!!!!!!".


Work trials can be good. Training is good.


So please just as you have a chip on your shoulder about employers DO NOT tarnish everyone with the same brush.


There are people who abuse the system on both sides ( employees and employers ) but not everyone. Just as someone who claims benefits is not automatically a leach on society, not all employers are simply there to humiliate and enslave the defenceless employee.


I do not and have never advocated that people should work for nothing. But equally I do not and have never advocated that people should be encouraged to choose benefits as a lifestyle choice.


But hey as you coined the phrase " if your parents where richer" why not just go any ask "mummy and daddy"?


Sorry being a post grad and sponging off "mummy and daddy" is not the only option.


The welfare system is there to help people - all people in need. It is not perfect it can never be as there will be people - both sides, who will always look for ways to manipulate the system. But not everyone. Not everyone is there by choice and there for the grace of god go I.


One post I read some time ago said it far better than I. "it is an honor and a privilege to be able to help ".

Careful. You're sounding dangerously like a Tory. Harking back to pure Dickensian epithets like idleness is sinful and only work can rid the poor of moral turpitude. Maybe we don't even need to go back that far.. Arbeit macht frei.. anyone?

I have never done an internship and I never will because I believe in the principles of a fair day's wage for a fair day's work. My mummy and daddy are not so rich that I can sponge off them while I am exploited by the capitalist machine. Similarly, they are not so well connected that they can merely swap internship places with another yummy mummy's children.

Evidently I am not a genius who went to Oxford on a Rhodes scholarship and became a master of the universe and that is no one's fault. But born poor in a country with social mobility as low as Victorian times stuffed full to the rafters of elites, rentiers and exploiters, that's my misfortune.

Like all self-made entrepreneurs, you have that arrogant swagger about you. It's the classic attribution bias, that you of all people succeeded because of what you are, that it was your manifest destiny, where the truth is more people talented than you goes bust simply because of bad luck. You picked the long straw my friend. Good for you. Spare us the Protestant preachings.

xylophone

Arbeit macht frei..

You're not really equating a week's unpaid training to incarceration in a concentration camp????

while I am exploited by the capitalist machine.

Are you familiar with the term "journalese"?

theone999

xylophone wrote: »

You're not really equating a week's unpaid training to incarceration in a concentration camp????



Are you familiar with the term "journalese"?

I'm a diehard leftist who reads the Guardian so...

xylophone

I'm a diehard leftist who reads the Guardian so...

........you are familiar with journalese ?

and spelling mistakes ........a young relative tells me it's familiarly known as The Grauniad....?

BJV

theone999 wrote: »

Like all self-made entrepreneurs, you have that arrogant swagger about you. It's the classic attribution bias, that you of all people succeeded because of what you are, that it was your manifest destiny, where the truth is more people talented than you goes bust simply because of bad luck. You picked the long straw my friend. Good for you. Spare us the Protestant preachings.

So sorry but I think you are mistaken. I self funded went without. Used to tell my children I was not hungry so they could eat and then scoff and left overs. Could not sleep for worry and nearly lost everything. Home, marriage, health, kids, you name it. It was a really bad time and there where some very dark days. I used to think it was good luck but no I don't think it was. I honestly believe I only managed it because I had gone past the point of no turn and could not give up.


I do not count my blessings and remind myself just how lucky I am every day. I did not succeed because of who I am. I succeeded because of "Bloody hard work" 14 hour days, 7 days a week and the fact I that could not give up and loose everything. But that does not take away from the fact that I am not better or worse than the next person.


So please do not try to think that you know me, judge me or my opinions.