MSE News: 'Family tax': Dad's outrage as Ryanair tries to seat 3yo away from family

tain

shaun_from_Africa wrote: »

The only verifiable material fact I can find on here is the fact that the CAA only have guidelines and not rules laws or regulations about the positioning of children in relation to the rest of the family or other responsible adult.

What are the other material facts to which you refer?
And before you accuse me of trolling (after all, you seem to do that to everyone who has a difference of opinion to you), I am not trolling. I would really be interested in reading these other "material facts".

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/68654587#Comment_68654587

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/68655351#Comment_68655351

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/68656245#Comment_68656245

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/68661908#Comment_68661908

...And they're just from the last couple of pages. Not even far to venture before you start insisting there's no other facts available.

shaun_from_Africa

tain wrote: »

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/68654587#Comment_68654587

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/68655351#Comment_68655351

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/68656245#Comment_68656245

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/68661908#Comment_68661908

...And they're just from the last couple of pages. Not even far to venture before you start insisting there's no other facts available.

How on earth do you consider those posts to be "material facts"
All they are just your opinion on the matter.
Material facts would be something such an HSE webpage agreeing that the practice being discussed is illegal.

peachyprice

tain wrote: »

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/68654587#Comment_68654587

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/68655351#Comment_68655351

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/68656245#Comment_68656245

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/68661908#Comment_68661908

...And they're just from the last couple of pages. Not even far to venture before you start insisting there's no other facts available.

Unless you are THE HSE, as in you are the rule maker, the head honcho, the one who has the final say, legislator etc., all those posts are nothing more than your personal opinion, not material facts.

If you are posting as a representative of the HSE, not as a personal individual, and your posts are in fact the irrefutable stance of the HSE I believe you need permission to post here.

shaun_from_Africa

One other point that I've not mentioned on this thread.

I work in aviation and have done so for more than 35 years so I know that UK civil aviation is amongst the most heavily regulated industries when it comes to HSE rules, regulations and enforcement.

Do you honestly think that if the practice of seating children away from their parents was illegal, something wouldn't have been done or even mentioned by the relevant bodies before now?
The UK CAA are generally very quick to take action if they think that there has been a possible breach of safety requirements and the fact that they haven't done this speaks for itself.

peachyprice

shaun_from_Africa wrote: »

One other point that I've not mentioned on this thread.

I work in aviation and have done so for more than 35 years so I know that UK civil aviation is amongst the most heavily regulated industries when it comes to HSE rules, regulations and enforcement.

Do you honestly think that if the practice of seating children away from their parents was illegal, something wouldn't have been done or even mentioned by the relevant bodies before now?
The UK CAA are generally very quick to take action if they think that there has been a possible breach of safety requirements and the fact that they haven't done this speaks for itself.

Oh come on, stop trolling

N1AK

tain wrote: »

How would people feel if teachers were only DBS checked if they paid an annual fee to the school? Is that still bad parenting if they don't or can't afford to pay it?

It's a stupid analogy for two reasons:
1/ Parents, and other tax payers, ARE paying for teachers to be DBS checked already.
2/ There is a pretty large difference, in terms of choice, between plane tickets and school.

Besides which students who's parents buy houses near to the best schools will tend to get a better education than parents who can't afford to do that.

N1AK

NFH wrote: »

It's not a difference of opinion. It's your deliberate overlooking of material facts (many of which have been stated earlier in the thread) in order to support your trolling.

Made up interpretation of CAA rules, incessantly inaccurately accusing people of trolling... It seems like the troll here is you.

Westin

How can we notify NFH that his account has been hacked?

Whoever is posting from his/her account is being unnecessarily rude to other long term MSE'ers expressing an option on a public forum.

I'm sure it's not the real NFH making these comments.
:A

zagfles

shaun_from_Africa wrote: »

One other point that I've not mentioned on this thread.

I work in aviation and have done so for more than 35 years so I know that UK civil aviation is amongst the most heavily regulated industries when it comes to HSE rules, regulations and enforcement.

Do you honestly think that if the practice of seating children away from their parents was illegal, something wouldn't have been done or even mentioned by the relevant bodies before now?
The UK CAA are generally very quick to take action if they think that there has been a possible breach of safety requirements and the fact that they haven't done this speaks for itself.

As a matter of interest, why do you think Easyjet and others guarantee to seat families together? Seems to go against their business model?

And even Ryanair suggest contacting them to get it sorted if a family is split up. Why would they do that? Not Molly's style at all. Surely they should just say "pay up or we'll spread you round the plane".

And why do people who have paid sometimes get moved to accomodate a family who haven't?

shaun_from_Africa

zagfles wrote: »

As a matter of interest, why do you think Easyjet and others guarantee to seat families together? Seems to go against their business model?

And even Ryanair suggest contacting them to get it sorted if a family is split up. Why would they do that? Not Molly's style at all. Surely they should just say "pay up or we'll spread you round the plane".

And why do people who have paid sometimes get moved to accomodate a family who haven't?

All 3 examples that you give all come down to two things.
£'s and a trouble free flight.
Easyjet will be using their guarantee of families being sat together as a marketing point to try to get more families flying with them (and more pax means more revenue). This is no different to some airlines making a big point of allowing more hand luggage than their rivals or having superior IFE systems.

Instead of Ryanair asking for families that have been split up on flight to contact them, why not just stop splitting those families up in the first place?
Money. They will have estimated that the extra revenue they get from their seating policy outweighs any possible compensation paid to people who complain about the practice.

As to why some people who have paid for seats get asked to move.
This happens occasionally on all airlines for a number of reasons.
If a family complain about having to sit apart, the airline may decide that it causes less trouble to simply move another passenger or two rather than risk the flight being delayed and losing its takeoff slot